reply to post by DarknStormy and CranialSponge
Thank you both very much for your responses, I'm impressed.
I think CranialSponge has opened an important line of thought (of course, I may be biased, both of my parents are Winnipegers:
Just from having conversations with my girlfriend, I'm not kidding when I say that both sides strongly strongly believe in what they're
fighting for. And neither side is willing to give in to the other.
they fighting for? I'm not absolutely certain. I know
that most Israelis say
they just want to be left alone with guarantees for their security. The press tells us that Islamic leaders say
they want to remove Israel, take over it's lands, or, in some other way turn it into Islamic territory.
What stories do we believe? What stories do the Middle-East leaders believe? If both groups just wanted to be left alone, and could communicate that
to the world, wouldn't the problem be solved? So, since that's not happening, one side (or both) must think that they're not going to be left
alone and they want to do something about it.
DarknStormy seems to be interested in the events following a first strike by Israel. Others are worried about a first strike by Iran. DarknStormy,
what happens in either case? I'm pretty sure that it would result in Iran needing tanker cars of Windex to polish the glass that used to be their
country, and Israel would be badly hurt but would scrape through. If you mix in the possible responses by the other countries interested in this, it
But as I said, I respect her opinion and belief of the situation (even if I don't agree with it) because she and her family have a first-hand
history of living there, thus I can understand her point of view.
I'm sad for you, CranialSponge, because you are close to the problem and
can see the feelings of those involved. And the feelings are human feelings, we're dealing with real people. It's not just a simulation run on
some country's computer.
Besides the obvious horror of seeing millions die, I'm also upset at what I see on ATS (and elsewhere, I have to admit.) If we, who really don't
have any immediate stake in the issue, can froth at the mouth, call names and demonize everyone on the other side, I believe we've already killed
ourselves and become less than human.
Muslims pray, Jews pray. Yet we can't even get together to do that jointly. I'll tell you a secret hope I have (and don't let anyone else know).
Perhaps Pope Francis will be able to untangle this mess.
With respect to both of you,