Those are all very interesting reasons, except (in the case of burqas) they aren't just banned in schools, they are banned everywhere in
public. And I don't quite agree with conflating "integrating into French society" with "dress like us, eat like us, hold beliefs like us". Even taking
into consideration French stereotypes, that isn't true.
Yes, the French Constituion's secular society guarantees apply everywhere in France, and so all public religious displays are closely regulated by law
everywhere there. Vigilante violence, the frustration of which is another reason for the regulations, is also criminal everywhere in France.
Tax-supported schools came up as a special case, because they are more likely to enforce regulations consistently, and schools have attracted separate
discussion and analysis. Public schools are public places, of course, and the French ones have the mission which I described.
If you think they ought to have a different mission, or that they don't do a good job implementing the mission they have, then I can't help you. I was
responding directly to your assertion of contradiction
, which was
I find it a bit disturbing the amount of pressure put on women against wearing such things (especially in Europe), under the guise of "freeing
women". Seems a bit contradictory to free women by imposing what they can and cannot wear.
So, all I have to say is that there is no such contradiction, at least in the French policies. Of course, you may not agree with the wisdom of the
actual reasons for their regulations either, but there is a tremendous difference between irrational or pretextual behavior and sincerely reasoned
behavior of which you disapprove.
As I thought was clear, I wouldn't vote for that kind of thing in the United States, where I have a vote. I don't have a vote in France, just an
acquaintance with how things work there. I am, then, the proverbial messenger who would prefer not to be shot. These are not "my" reasons,
As for your second reason, ...
But it sounds like you have found the reasons already. France is a functioning democracy. Explanations of policies that appear in political
discussions are as much reasons for government policy as any "official statement." Also, France is no longer the last judge of its human-rights
related activity; some of that is now in the hands of the EU. Under those circumstances, I, too, would reserve my lengthier "official statements"
about a foreseeably litigation-prone issue for the court, rather than have my case tried on the Internet.
For all the claims of Islam's supposed hate towards women, it is interesting how in much of the west, the greatest percentage of converts to
Islam are women.
I am unsure why that was addressed to me, since other posters have discussed Muslim attitudes towards women. I don't know the empirical basis of your
statement about the gender composition of Western converts. I'd be delighted to look at anything you might suggest, even if it is a different aspect
of the topic than what I posted about.
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