The Islamic takeover of Europe/World.

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Originally posted by Bluesma

Part of my statement, that you quoted explains what I meant-

the law was not enforced on Muslim women, out of respect for their religion.

This was the sort of concession they had been making for a very long time- the Muslims were exempt from national law.

And now they are not,as you admit. Hardly "a concession".

Look, you're obviously terrified of what you perceive as some sort of invasion, and your personal experience - if it is as you claim - would seem to bear that out. I'll only say that my experience of the south of France is the exact opposite: it's packed full of white people complaining and voting Front National, but not much actual immigrant foment. When I was last there a local youth stole my mother's bag in a shop. He was white.

But in the end neither your nor my anecdotes amount to much. If the only example of a concession you can find is, er, muslims not being allowed to wear a veil, then I'm afraid you're going to have to try harder to convince people that they are taking over.

reply to post by asen_y2k


If that's really you in the avatar, I'm not surprised that you harbor these views.

I suggest you read up some more on stats regarding immigration to Europe.

You'd probably be surprised to find out that a majority of Europe is still very white.

How about worrying about jobs and the economy instead?

Watch My brother The Devil, it's about muslim gangs in England, quite a powerful insight...

Originally posted by JuniorDisco


And now they are not,as you admit. Hardly "a concession".

Look, you're obviously terrified of what you perceive as some sort of invasion, and your personal experience - if it is as you claim - would seem to bear that out. I'll only say that my experience of the south of France is the exact opposite: it's packed full of white people complaining and voting Front National, but not much actual immigrant foment. When I was last there a local youth stole my mother's bag in a shop. He was white.

But in the end neither your nor my anecdotes amount to much. If the only example of a concession you can find is, er, muslims not being allowed to wear a veil, then I'm afraid you're going to have to try harder to convince people that they are taking over.

You are aware then, that the amendment to that law is not enforced then? Since you have been here?
All arabs being exempt from french law is no concession to you?

30% of the total population under the age of 18 is arab immigrants- and you saw none?
19% of the total population, the highest in all of the European countries, (in 2008- it is higher since) and you didn't glimpse them?
I can only guess you might have gone to somewhere like Nice- certainly not Marseille, or Lille (50% population)-Or you have mistakenly assumed that french people just have a deep tan all year round...?

Do you think all the many reports, videos, and literature on the "No Go zones" of France are false, made up?

And all these Front National supporters... Where WERE they during the last election, when the Socialist party was voted in???

I'm not going to try hard to convince anyone, obviously people believe what they want to believe- especially about things that are far away and they do not have to actually face. Heck, I saw there is a thread titled "North Korea doesn't exist" I decided long ago Jupiter doesn't exist either. It's all a big conspiracy to trick us. This ATS after all.

editted to add- I apologize for being a smart ass. I understand, and think it commendable that people not believe what they hear too easily, and in matters which could possibly result in injustice to human beings, it is important.

When I first came here 23 years ago, as a liberal Californian, who had grown up in all mexican neighborhoods, I refused to believe any of this either. It took a lot to change my mind. I just get frustrated sometimes at what I see as a big misunderstanding of how thigns really are. But liek I said, there is nothing that can be done to stop it at this point any way, so I really shoudl just keep my mouth shut. Doing so now.

reply to post by Bluesma


Hey Blue,

I followed all your comments here...although my experience is nowhere near yours, because, as of now, my country is not too attractive for immigrants (whether muslim or otherwise), but I tend to agree with your assertions.

The Democracy is holding it's people hostage. Somewhere down the road, it became ugly. Minorities oppress the majority.

I guess there is no hope for France than. I didn't know things were that far out of control...kinda makes me glad I live in 92 % catholic country. Not that I adore catholics...but at least it's a culture I grew up with, and know how to handle. We have similar traits, looks, and cultural values.

Maybe somebody will call me a xenophobe....but if what Blue went through is something to expect from this "integration"...than by all means...color me xenophobic.

edit:

In 3 months time...my country will officially become a member of the EU. The flood gates will open up. I guess we can expect a rise in the number of immigrants.

Originally posted by Bluesma


You are aware then, that the amendment to that law is not enforced then?

It is enforced.

All arabs being exempt from french law is no concession to you?

Typical hyperbole from someone with an axe to grind. You have extrapolated 'police don't rip the veil from muslim women's heads' to 'arabs don't have to obey the law'. If I have to explain how tenuous that is then we might as well give up now.

30% of the total population under the age of 18 is arab immigrants- and you saw none?

Your statistic is incorrect and I didn't say I didn't see any immigrants.

19% of the total population, the highest in all of the European countries, (in 2008- it is higher since) and you didn't glimpse them?

I didn't say that. Although 19 per cent is not that high. Still 81 per cent white people.

And you're wrong anyway. I haven't time to check the number (I suspect it's another fabrication) but immigration in Spain and the UK is greater.

I can only guess you might have gone to somewhere like Nice- certainly not Marseille, or Lille (50% population)-Or you have mistakenly assumed that french people just have a deep tan all year round...?

I've been to all those places. I worked with some people of North african descent in Marseille recently. Weirdly they were not the bunch of bomb-making bible-burning crazies of your imagination.

Do you think all the many reports, videos, and literature on the "No Go zones" of France are false, made up?

I imagine they are grossly exaggerated, as they are here.

I had an Australian tell me on this very site that parts of London were "no go areas" recently. I found it amusing since I had actually gone to one of the apparent "no go" areas that morning. Oddly enough I survived to tell the tale.

And all these Front National supporters... Where WERE they during the last election, when the Socialist party was voted in???

Voting for the Front National in enormous numbers. But luckily there remains a majority of white French people who are not ruled solely by fear and intolerance.

reply to post by JuniorDisco

I had actually gone to one of the apparent "no go" areas that morning. Oddly enough I survived to tell the tale.

Must be safe than. Since the piano didn't fall on your head that day...

When someone says a "no go area"...it is an advice...whether you take it or not is up to you. It also doesn't mean that every visit to the area will result in death...but stats tell the tale.
Maybe you're a poker man and like to challenge the odds...who knows...

Originally posted by MarioOnTheFly
reply to post by JuniorDisco

 

I had actually gone to one of the apparent "no go" areas that morning. Oddly enough I survived to tell the tale.

Must be safe than. Since the piano didn't fall on your head that day...

When someone says a "no go area"...it is an advice...whether you take it or not is up to you. It also doesn't mean that every visit to the area will result in death...but stats tell the tale.
Maybe you're a poker man and like to challenge the odds...who knows...

edit on 3-4-2013 by MarioOnTheFly because: (no reason given)

Rubbish. People say "no go area" to imply that it's very dangerous to go there. In most cases this is an invention designed to suggest that some race or other is aggressive, acting outside the law, and creating their own expansionist polity.

It's almost always nonsense.

Originally posted by JuniorDisco

Originally posted by MarioOnTheFly
reply to post by JuniorDisco

 

I had actually gone to one of the apparent "no go" areas that morning. Oddly enough I survived to tell the tale.

Must be safe than. Since the piano didn't fall on your head that day...

When someone says a "no go area"...it is an advice...whether you take it or not is up to you. It also doesn't mean that every visit to the area will result in death...but stats tell the tale.
Maybe you're a poker man and like to challenge the odds...who knows...

edit on 3-4-2013 by MarioOnTheFly because: (no reason given)

Rubbish. People say "no go area" to imply that it's very dangerous to go there. In most cases this is an invention designed to suggest that some race or other is aggressive, acting outside the law, and creating their own expansionist polity.

It's almost always nonsense.

Brilliant...


So you're saying, if by any chance some day...you visit my country...or my city...and If I where to advise to stay out of certain parts of the city for your own benefit...you would have scoffed at that advise and still went there ?

Good luck to you man....

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
reply to post by asen_y2k

 

I've been to both places.

Both were equally welcoming and enjoyable. Although I had philosophical disagreements with some of their tenants and cultural practices, they never ONCE gave me grief for questioning and debating them on these principles.

The media shows you extremists. The vast majority of people who claim to be part of any group, are not.

As for Islam not growing or changing over the last however long, that's partly their own fault, but also the fault of a lot of other places for meddling in their affairs. Do you think Christianity would have changed to the degree it has if there wasn't an ocean separating the Vatican and Washington DC?

I think not.

~Tenth

You have had good experience with the muslims IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY. But my experience with them, when they are in a European country has been far from plesant, with a murder of a Jewish doctor, forming gangs and fighting, and many other incidents. The most memorabal incident for me personally was when I had to move to a tiny corner of a restaurant, because I will eating a pork rib and there was a group of muslims nearby. If I protested it would been a short trip to the hospital for me, so I complied.

No it is not enforced. Look it up. And I explained how the police have ORDERS not to stop them, but you are right, that is not official and I have no proof. Choose to believe what you want.

Know though, that us tax payers pay for these immigrants and their many wives, to have babies, to have free medical care, and even a satelite dish- so they can recieve the channels from their homeland. it is now legal for them to vote, even if they do not want to take french citizenship.... There is more that I could list in way of concessions.

30% of the total population under the age of 18 is arab immigrants- and you saw none?

Your statistic is incorrect and I didn't say I didn't see any immigrants.

My statistic is correct. Look it up. All the stats I put up are. France has the largest Muslim population in all of Europe.
You repeat right after this that you didn't say you didn't glimpse them- what is the difference between "glimpse" and "see" for you?

I worked with some people of North african descent in Marseille recently. Weirdly they were not the bunch of bomb-making bible-burning crazies of your imagination.

If you worked with them, then they are not the young second generation arabs I am talking about (they generally do not have legal jobs). They also do not burn bibles, as I said, religion is not their motivation.

And all these Front National supporters... Where WERE they during the last election, when the Socialist party was voted in???

Voting for the Front National in enormous numbers. But luckily there remains a majority of white French people who are not ruled solely by fear and intolerance.

So.. they all being Front National supporters was wrong- you meant to say " a minority of people there were Front national supporters" ?
There are actually quite a few political parties here, and the majority are Socialists- which supports my assertion that the majority of French are liberal, open minded, and against racism and predjudice.


Heck, I just came back here to post an apology to you (added on to my last post) and here I am answering again.

You are arguing the stats I brought to the table based on your guesses? Obviously you haven't seen me around ATS much then- I don't dare leave holes like that in my arguments- that is the best way to ruin your credibility.
Feel free to look it up. I guess I 'll go out riding, this subject is obviously too close to home for me to remain neutral.

Originally posted by Fimbulvetr

Racist? Religiously prejudicial? Invasion by immigration?

So, you support an ideal of removing everyone from the U.S. other than Native Americans, because all the rest of us obviously don't belong here? Or is there a statute of limitations on that because we've now been here for a few hundred years? All I can say after reading that is 'Wow'.

When did i say that. And why USA, I am not even talking about USA, I have never been there, no experience. I never said everyone should be removed. The ones who come over to Europe and try to impose their hardline ways. For example Sharia etc, should definately be deported. Firstly, why come over if you dont like the European way of life. I am not saying European laws are better than Sharia, or criticizing the Islamic way of life. What bugs me is that why they migrate and try to impose their ways on the rest of us?

reply to post by Bluesma


One more issue is that why do we not see the same kind of behavior from the rest of the immigrants, be it Chinese, Indians, Polish etc? What has the Islamic faith taught muslims that makes them violently impose their ways on others? I am not against immigration but i wish everyone could integrate into the society THEY CHOSE to migrate into.

Originally posted by DarknStormy

Originally posted by GrandStrategy
the muslim takeover is just Christian scaremongering.

Atheism is and is going to continue to be the true victor in Europe.

Yeah and to all the Athiests, congratulations... The Zionists have conditioned you well

Being an atheist I am curious about what you stated. I wish to explore all possible avenues and open to all suggestions. Could you please give me a link or source for your allegations. Thanks in advance.

reply to post by asen_y2k


he hasn't got any links...it's just a fad to say that these days...

If you're not with them, you're against them kinda philosophy.

Originally posted by asen_y2k
reply to post by Bluesma

 

One more issua is that why do we not see the same kind of behavior from the rest of the immigrants, be it Chinese, Indians, Polish etc? What has the Islamic faith taught muslims that makes them violently impose their ways on others? I am not against immigration but i wish everyone could integrate into the society THEY CHOSE to migrate into.

good point. You have Chinese communities practically in every bigger, and even in smaller cities, around the world. Yet, I have not heard any problems with them wanting extra rights. They keep to themselves and don't cause trouble.

Originally posted by VaterOrlaag
reply to post by asen_y2k

 

If that's really you in the avatar, I'm not surprised that you harbor these views.

I suggest you read up some more on stats regarding immigration to Europe.

You'd probably be surprised to find out that a majority of Europe is still very white.

How about worrying about jobs and the economy instead?

Damn it I really gotto change my ava, its 5 years old, and no its not me. I had interests in armed forces around the world and stuff like that. That ava does not show my true nature anymore.

Originally posted by MarioOnTheFly

Originally posted by asen_y2k
reply to post by Bluesma

 

One more issua is that why do we not see the same kind of behavior from the rest of the immigrants, be it Chinese, Indians, Polish etc? What has the Islamic faith taught muslims that makes them violently impose their ways on others? I am not against immigration but i wish everyone could integrate into the society THEY CHOSE to migrate into.

good point. You have Chinese communities practically in every bigger, and even in smaller cities, around the world. Yet, I have not heard any problems with them wanting extra rights. They keep to themselves and don't cause trouble.

edit on 3-4-2013 by MarioOnTheFly because: (no reason given)

Many posters said that they behave like this is the western countries is due to the fact that their homeland has been bombed to the stone age. A mirroring fact would be the post WW2 Japanese migration. US nuked them twice, but there has never been any news article mentioning anything about them moving to a foreign country and protesting violently to make others follow their ways.

reply to post by asen_y2k


Sure they are...even as we speak...they are training suicide Ninja squadrons...to take vengance on the unsuspecting yankees.

/ end sarc