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Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by borntowatch
I think you missed the context, completely wrong comprehension of the Gospel.
Remember the Lords prayer, "Your will be done"
Context, typical atheist who listens to what he wants to hear, not what is written in context.
Considering all the scripture in the post from which I have quoted the above selection, what is your interpretation? And what makes your interpretation better? Either "God" provides or he does not.edit on 4-4-2013 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by windword
Originally posted by borntowatch
Originally posted by windword
reply to post by borntowatch
As for God providing everything for Christians, where is that written in the bible.
And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
And Jesus answered and said to them, "Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, `Be taken up and cast into the sea,' it will happen. "And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive.)
Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven. For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst
Amen, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, 'Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it shall be done for him. Therefore I tell you, all that you ask for in prayer, believe that you will receive it and it shall be yours.
If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask for whatever you want and it will be done for you.
It was not you who chose me, but I who chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit that will remain, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name he may give you
On that day you will not question me about anything. Amen, amen, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in my name he will give you. Until now you have not asked anything in my name; ask and you will receive, so that your joy may be complete.
I think the greater question is "What are you Christians praying for?" If Jesus was telling the truth, war, poverty and disease should be a thing of past!
I think you missed the context, completely wrong comprehension of the Gospel.
Remember the Lords prayer, "Your will be done"
Context, typical atheist who listens to what he wants to hear, not what is written in context.
Context? Those are the words of Jesus, while he was a living man, promising to answer the prayers of Christians. Do you believe what he said? If so, are Christians praying for the right things?
BTW, I'm not an atheist. I just don't believe in the Biblical God, etal.
Originally posted by BlueMule
you worship the Jesus that your interpretations of scripture say he is.
Therefore, there is a difference between Jesus and your concept of Jesus.
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Originally posted by BlueMule
Then you are an idolator who worships the idol you have made out of your concepts and ideas and interpretations of what the Christ is.
No .. I am somone who worships God Incarnate. Jesus. Jesus said "I AM the way, the truth and the life". So Jesus put HIMSELF at the center of Christianity. Being a Christian means putting Jesus at the center. If it turns out that Jesus isn't who scripture said He is ... then that changes everything.
Originally posted by BlueMule
Originally posted by 1PLA1
Originally posted by SaturnFX
Originally posted by adjensen
Why would anyone? Christ's death and resurrection is kinda the core of the whole thing.
And that is the point overall.
The whole thing...what is the thing? is the thing the message or the man.
One cannot separate the message from the man. If you separate the man from the message, there is no message.
Yes there is. It's called philosophia perennis and it can be discerned in all religions.
Jesus' message was not only about how to live, but that He is the only Way to eternal life. One either believes that or one does not.
Ah, black and white thinking. What could be easier?
Things aren't so simple... you aren't considering the possibility that Jesus was one of many mouth-pieces for the Christ. That Jesus was a vehicle possessed by the Child of Humanity...
99.99% of Christians are stuck at the exoteric level of body and image and form and concept and idea... but the Christ is beyond these.
edit on 4-4-2013 by BlueMule because: (no reason given)
They clearly have not stopped eating the apple that they where given in genesis listening to the snake again and again. Still repeating the first sin over and over again.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by LittleByLittle
They clearly have not stopped eating the apple that they where given in genesis listening to the snake again and again. Still repeating the first sin over and over again.
The sin of applying value according to perception instead of actual nature. It's not a sin, it's a lesson. It's a lesson in discerning the true nature of our world and everything in it. There's no such thing as sin, there is only experience. When you call something sin, you declare that it is unworthy of being known. Who are you to make such a judgment? Do you know everything that sin has to offer? Have you sinned to your heart's content and learned the terrible lessons that come from having drained your humanity to the point of exhaustion?
Black and white. Without the shadow, the candle is nothing more than another shade of gray.
Also Taoism is in a way a mind game for no action at all for some.
Taoism is in fact are also a duality in itself accepting another dualistic reality and not creating a symbiotic whole. I agree that seeing the darker sides make you choose wiser but just because this place is a testing ground do not mean all places are. Taoism is a good trap for the ego mind to waste time on thinking it is bright.
For a magnificent work of art, it's beauty is intrinsic, not because it's framed all around by that which is ugly. In fact, the ugliness around the frame can be transformed by the beauty of the work of art who's frame then expands to dissolve or transform the ugliness into ever more transcendent beauty.
There's no duality in this solution, and no need to justify or negate a negative or undesirable "ugliness" and that's both beautiful and humorous whereby the humor can even be scathing at the expense of one's prior ignorance and folly, because sometimes the best defense of everything that's worthwhile is a really good offense relative to that which isn't.
There's no need to protect that which ought not be protected, and what is of no value will be discarded in one way or another anyway, so it's just not worth celebrating.