China places military on highest alert.

reply to post by Honor93


I don’t want to derail this thread by getting into a debate about the thread that I linked to so if you want to discuss it more you have the link.

To get back onto the topic, that is to say China mobilising its military I think it marks a significant turning point on the same day that DPRK announce that they are planning to reopen their nuclear reactor. The recent behaviour of the DPRK regime is a security risk for all in the region and it seem logical that China would react to such threats.

War has been decided behind closed doors. 2 weeks to 3 months away. NK will start it conveniently.

China will support the UN. The Peninsula will be re-unified in one year.

WWIII won't happen for years.

Originally posted by ibiubu
War has been decided behind closed doors. 2 weeks to 3 months away. NK will start it conveniently.

China will support the UN. The Peninsula will be re-unified in one year.

WWIII won't happen for years.

edit on 2-4-2013 by ibiubu because: (no reason given)

If NK lets of a few nukes there wont be a Peninsula left to re-unify

reply to post by felixjames20


Their handful of nukes don't have the power or the yield to make the Korean peninsula uninhabitable.

reply to post by Destinyone


I do not think war is going to start shortly.

China is basically curtailing US/SK options by this posturing. It is not about refugees.

The bad thing for US is that NK says and does these things and US cannot do much. NK openly develops nukes and missiles and threatens SK/US. Will US take preventive action??

If this drags, the image of US will take a hit surely; as other nuke wannabe will draw lessons.

reply to post by felixjames20


DPRK does not have a significant nuclear deterrent it is highly unlikely they would be able to detonate a nuclear devise outside of their own state. A possible scenario might be if they lob a few missiles into Seoul that would restart the long war and they could use their small nuclear devices as shields, like scorch earth kind of plan but really that about as much damage they could do with their nukes.

reply to post by felixjames20


That is one of the reasons for China's current position. That and the economic implications. The last 2 years have resulted in significant infiltration of the military in the North. Kim corresponded with killing multiple generals. It is beyond him.

War is imminent and the peninsula will be the ROK in one year.

Originally posted by larphillips
reply to post by felixjames20

 

Their handful of nukes don't have the power or the yield to make the Korean peninsula uninhabitable.

Im pretty sure they do, if they let of all nukes im sure the fallout which follows wouldnt make for the best holiday destination

Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin
reply to post by felixjames20

 

DPRK does not have a significant nuclear deterrent it is highly unlikely they would be able to detonate a nuclear devise outside of their own state. A possible scenario might be if they lob a few missiles into Seoul that would restart the long war and they could use their small nuclear devices as shields, like scorch earth kind of plan but really that about as much damage they could do with their nukes.

Either way, if he lauches them into the south or the scorched earth approach the fallout is going be a nightmare

reply to post by felixjames20


They don’t, the last nuclear test in February was a 6kt nuke, to compare the little boy, the one dropped on Hiroshima was 16kt. Nobody knows for sure how many nuclear bombs DPRK have but is probably not much and they are not of the same power as the bombs other nuclear powers have. In addition to this DPRK does not yet have the technology to use them outside of testing, they don’t have bombers that can drop them and they don’t have ICBMs that can launch them.

Dont use the word launch because they cant "launch" them they just sit there.

reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin


You never know..
they could get them from China..

reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin

wait just a minute, you linked that thread to toot your own horn about prior knowledge of current situations.

then, after being called out as potential reguritated propaganda, you claim discussing it is a derail ? could you deflect any harder with that statement?

hmmmm, so this is "to get back on topic" interesting segway.

how does "we're planning to" translate to a need to mobilize tanks, warplanes and troops ?
isn't China pretty good at the virus game ???

reply to post by TheSep


Get what, nuclear ICBMs, China does not support DPRK’s military in anymore in the event that hostilities restart China will not support DPRK and there is no chance they would ever give them the technology to use nuclear weapons.

reply to post by Honor93


My reason for posting that link was for anyone who might be interested as it has information regarding the Chinese possible response if you want to discuss it further then you have the link feel free.

Could you please flesh out your last question a little bit because am not sure I entirely understand what exactly you are asking.

Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin
reply to post by felixjames20

 

They don’t, the last nuclear test in February was a 6kt nuke, to compare the little boy, the one dropped on Hiroshima was 16kt. Nobody knows for sure how many nuclear bombs DPRK have but is probably not much and they are not of the same power as the bombs other nuclear powers have. In addition to this DPRK does not yet have the technology to use them outside of testing, they don’t have bombers that can drop them and they don’t have ICBMs that can launch them.

Dont use the word launch because they cant "launch" them they just sit there.

edit on 2-4-2013 by OtherSideOfTheCoin because: (no reason given)

Hang on, so no one knows for sure how many nukes they have but you are sure they cant lauch them right? That is impressive, and I suppose there is no chance they got rockets from Iran and would use them?

Plus they dont need to be ICBM, Im talking about them using them on the south.

And granted the yields are not massive but I wouldnt want to take my chance against a few 6kt nukes

Originally posted by larphillips
reply to post by felixjames20

 

Their handful of nukes don't have the power or the yield to make the Korean peninsula uninhabitable.

proof please, and not govt propaganda.

ones does have to wonder, NK doesn't 'attack, subvert or invade' any other region, yet they have been amassing their defenses for decades ... how does the US have a clue what they do or don't have ?

it's not like the US helped to win the Korean War, some 60 years ago, what makes anyone think they could today?

I've just checked through a variety of sources and there is at this stage, no increase in the threat level of North Korea. China's view is that should anything happen with the North, they don't want millions crossing the border in to China, that is something that they have always feared.

It is true that America has sought to encricle China, but there is little China can do to be honest, at this stage. North Korea is a fantastic ally to China in terms of its geographical position, already borders are somewhat comprimised from the fact that America has in recent months strengthened ties with South East Asian countries such as Thailand, this has nothing to do with NK, it is simply to use for military leverage against China, who in turn has tried to strengthen ties with Kazakhstan through fear of a considerable sized neighbour becoming "Americanised". America's Ace card is the disputed South China seas, China wants to redraw the borders, the rest of the countries do not, individually, they would be defeated by China, even though it would be harder than people think, but joined and with America, China would stand little chance, to be honest.

That unfortunately is the bottom line for China, as quick and amazing its rise to a super power has been, China is still 600 billion in expenditure behind the US and playing catch up and indeed they are making good progress, but the American military machine is already global, already in force and in fairness certainly a far superior force, at this stage, than to China. China at the same time has growing internal problems that need to be addressed, resentment towards wealth inequality is massively on the increase, also the need to get the housig bubble under control is almost constantly under stated, but China needs to be guided, not isolated, because even if it is considerably behind America militarily, it is still a super power and to engage in conflict could engulf the world.

China are not too bothered about North Korea, just about America being on their door step, but nobody can say what talks have been conducted behind closed doors. The fall of NK is inevitable, China is already well aware of this, now that the world is smaller and all countries are linked financially through the central banking cartel, its a lot harder to isolate one self without literally cutting off your life line, neither China nor America are interested in that, not yet at least.

Nobody can say what will happen, but China are not going to go to war with America over North Korea, not when North Korea have shown themselves to be somewhat of a putulant child when it comes to diplomatic negotiating, even with Beijing. China are not ready, not in any way, for a war with America, which is what it would lead to with NK, they're not going to reset their work on the road towards being a major world player and certainly the biggest in Asia at present, for a two bit country that serves simply as a buffer between them and American backed expansion of the South. It won't thrill Beijing, but the alternative is not even an option at present.

reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin


Since Korea as a whole is quite mountainous, I see North Korea currently using their nukes as tactical deterrents rather than offensive weapons. They can block avenues of approach quite effectively using them.

But they still do have a Chem-Bio weapons program that everyone seems to be forgetting about.

If Un decided to go for it, it would be messy. The DPRK still uses swarm tactics. Couple that with tunnels not yet discovered, sympathizers in the south and agents/teams in place and it would be 1950 all over again, but with a greater death toll.

But Un seems to be a narcissist and seems to think that he would survive all this.

I think that China is in cahoots with both sides and trying to game the system to their favor. They are the wild card.

If it came to nukes or Chem warfare, the prevailing winds do not threaten much of China. Bio is a different story however, and must be considered.

reply to post by felixjames20


No one knows but they do know its barley any based on inspections of DPRK nuclear facilities.

The point is that they don’t have the technology to put a Nuke on the end of a missile and blow up Seoul and no they haven’t got them from Iran either because they also don’t have the tech to put a nuke on a warhead.

The very best they can do with their nukes is have them sitting in the middle of a populated area inside DPRK and say “if you shoot at us we will slaughter our own people”. They cannot at this point hit South Korea with a nuclear weapon.

reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin

Could you please flesh out your last question a little bit because am not sure I entirely understand what exactly you are asking.

not sure what is confusing about it but let's try again.

you indicated a vast military response could be related to an announcement of intent to restart a reactor.

now, since when does such an "announcement" warrant the present military response ?
especially when China has more than proven her skill with the (digital) virus attack capability.

last i read the factory is still operational and if an attack was imminent, i'd expect some obvious and publicized effect there before anywhere else, wouldn't you ?