China places military on highest alert.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


Wrabbit. I understand what you are saying. Show of force, in full, or back off. But, don't you see, that is just drawing another line in the sand.

We are quickly running out of places to continue drawing lines. Soon it will be face to face confrontation...no way out of that. History has proven that to be true. I think the Bay of Pigs may have been one of the few exceptions.

My *gut* tells me to consider stocking up on a few more things I'd been putting off. My gut is not often wrong.

If things continue to escalate between the U.S. and China, it will be felt on our economic toes, hard and painful.

Des

reply to post by Destinyone


Not true. The US drew lines with the Soviet Union all over the world during the Cold War and it never escalated into all out battle between the two of them.

I highly doubt you will ever see a war between China and the US, each side would stand to lose more than it gains.

In political science game theory we call this a zero sum game and it basically never happens. When two players stand nothing to gain they simply do not play the game.

It looks to me that tensions are rising on each side. Russia launches a suprise drill in the Black Sea the other day. SKorea and the US doing drills, showing off the B-2, and puts a (another?) guided missile destroyer off the coast of Korea. Mr. Kim is hootin and hollerin the whole time. Supposedly they consider themselves in a "state of war" at the moment. China is flexing with their current Naval drills in the Yellow Sea.

reply to post by Destinyone

Considering 2 days ago, China announced they were taking a neutral stance in this craziness. I think you hit the nail on the head with your second option. China does not want a million or so refugees flooding over their border.

Then this to. In 48 hours, China changes from neutral, to putting their military on highest alert, and sends forces to their border with Korea.

Looks like each side is on edge, digging in. I also am going with a few others, thinking that China has their forces on the border for a possible refugee crisis.

In a surprise turn of events..China takes care of the NKorea problem and comes out of it the hero
win/win for everybody

reply to post by buni11687


That would be a safe bet.

China has in no way been supportive of North Korea lately, going so far as to not even put up a fight in the UN when stronger sanctions were issued.

When trying to figure out a political motive you need to take everything into context. China is simply not doing anything lately to actually show they are willing to back up NK if things blow up over there. It seems more likely they are acting in self-preservation and I would almost guarantee you that they do not like NK having nukes sitting on their border.

Something may be up over there but I don't believe its what many people think it is.

Originally posted by all2human
I stand convinced, In a surprise turn of events..China will take care of the NKorea problem and come out oif it the hero
win/win for everybody

finish up your popcorn people.

edit on 2-4-2013 by all2human because: (no reason given)

This is of course the only option for China

It hasn't been made public....

But the US has been working with China since the Clinton Administration, much smoke and mirrors... it will never be made public.... but the continual flow of oil from the ME is China's ONLY method of continued industrialization... we were PAID in a round about way to handle the region.... the spy plane back in the day? No accident we gave them the tech

Those Chinese ships are there... I dare say to help if NK goes ballistic

The men on Un's back door are there to put it in his rear.

This is where it becomes public knowledge

It is a natural Alliance USA and China after all.... not at all unlike.... Germany and Japan back in the day (read into that all you like)

China might just surprise everyone and take out NK.
But if that happens they will have to have SK to they will not want to share a border like that... All I can say is look out stock up and prepare who knows what will happen in the next 24-48 hours.

Bush actually gave it away in one of his speeches back in the day

"we have a powerful ally no one knows about"

Originally posted by Hopechest
reply to post by Destinyone

 

Not true. The US drew lines with the Soviet Union all over the world during the Cold War and it never escalated into all out battle between the two of them.

I highly doubt you will ever see a war between China and the US, each side would stand to lose more than it gains.

In political science game theory we call this a zero sum game and it basically never happens. When two players stand nothing to gain they simply do not play the game.

By pure luck. It's little known that WW3 was prevented by a Political Officer on a Russian sub armed with n-torpedos.

The Americans didn't know the embargoed ships had an undersea escort, with release authority...the story goes that the sub's skipper thought he was being depth charged and WW3 had started, and intended to fire on American ships. BUT FOR the refusal of the Zampolit (both must concur), the would would probably had ended, then and there.

I forget the name (Vasili Arkhipov), but I believe he was awarded the Order of Lenin for saving the world

Point being, drawing lines is a dangerous thing....when a black swan comes along and bites you in the ass

If China's troop movements are true, this is different from 'all the other times'...but agree it's likely in a way none of us expects or understands

is it me or anyone else think that the Free beacon and this are word for word the same? rt.com... RT news

China has started mobilizing military forces around the Korean peninsula in response to rising tensions that follow recent threats by North Korea to launch missile attacks against its southern neighbor and the United States.

According to US officials, Pyongyang’s declaration of a ‘state of war’ against South Korea has led to the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) to increase its military presence on the border with the North. The officials say the process has been going on since mid-March, and includes troop movements and readying fighter jets. The PLA is now at ‘Level One’ readiness, its highest.

Chinese forces, including tanks and armored personnel carriers, have been spotted in the city of Ji’an and near the Yalu River, which splits China and North Korea. Other border regions were also reportedly being patrolled by planes.

every source I have checked FOX NBC links back to you guest it... Free beacon, not one word is said in the Asian pres about this don't you think they would be? After all it is in their front door english.chosun.com... 9 other links www3.nhk.or.jp... english.yonhapnews.co.kr... nwww.koreaherald.com... and then would not KCNA as the great savior has come to aid of Un to do battle with US SK forces? www.kcna.kp... I do find it odd that no Asia news source is reporting this. and then there is the www.washingtontimes.com...

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China has placed its military forces on heightened alert in the northeastern part of the country as tensions mount on the Korean Peninsula, U.S. officials said.

The Chinese People’s Liberation Army recently increased its posture in response to the heightened tensions, specifically North Korea’s declaration of a “state of war” and threats to conduct missile attacks against the U.S. and South Korea.

According to the officials, the PLA has stepped up activities in the border region with North Korea since mid-March, including troop movements and warplane flights.

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Could this be the ultimate false flag event, started by a news report?

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


China will never allow a US presence so near their boarder even in Afghanistan we clearly saw the US pussy footing and avoid to go beyond a UN/NATO intervention and delegate as much as it could to the Afghan regime that is clearly not a puppet of the US (at least not even similar to the Iraq as it was in the beginning as to get the signatures for the US companies to rebuild it and ultimately fleece the US citizens). In Afghanistan China could play it lose as it had internal problems already boiling due to Muslim minority revolts. China has not forgotten the past that includes the "smart" bombing of its embassy in Serbia.

Having a technologically capable "enemy" (a democratic united Korea, akin to a new Japan in regards to US interventionism at its boarder is not in the plans), regardless of how crazy they think NK is. North Korea was a creation of the Soviets (not China).

reply to post by xquietonex


yeah and in these early days things of this nature happened...

and over decades America and Russia and England, France and China....spent much time in discussion as to how to see this never happened again...

The results of these discussions you see now as the world falls into regions and nations out of line fall one by one.... NK obviously being next.

That a "plan" is coming into effect over the last decade shld be obvious... after all lol... we had bases in Kazakhstan? Chinese ship design looking very familiar, America semi throwing Israel under the bus China doing the same to NK... they sanctioned the sanctions after all.... so much money between us and China with our troops fighting on their borders in the West no?

So much talk about how China "cares" if the US has a presence? Meanwhile they have been handing us money for all intents and purposes the whole time we have been on their border in Afghanastan

reply to post by wondermost


K, if we kick everyone's ass, all debts are forgiven right ? That's how it was when I went to school. The toughest kid had everyone else's lunch money save that of the coolest kids. So I knew I was to small to be the toughest kid.
But I did manage to get in with coolys. And now, I realize I have no idea where I was going with this so,
The End.

China is not backing a thing,they are fortifying their borders to halt refugees and to prevent a US incursion. You aren't expecting them to stand by NK are you? That is a "weak" western trait, to stand by inferior friends when it gains one nothing.

reply to post by Panic2k11


None of this even exists anymore

We are ALL moving in the direction of some kind of socialist/Capitalist hybrid system we obviously came to agree upon...

You have to be blind to not see that the systems of Europe, America, Russia, China are slowly but surely becoming nearly identical .... everything you read here from gun control for the USA and health care to free markets in China and Americas economics equalizing with the rest of the world etc, etc ....

come on... it's blatant

reply to post by Hopechest

I highly doubt you will ever see a war between China and the US

hmmm, i'd guess you've never heard or read about the US invasion of China ??
otherwise known as the Boxer Rebellion ??
(you might wanna catch up - www.abovetopsecret.com... - thanks Muzzy)

well, since it's certainly been done before, what's stopping it this time ?

personally, i think all'y'all are missing the longest thread connecting everyone ... and, i tend to think Dennis Rodman has more to do with the 'advancement' of these actions than even he would admit.

see Black Liberation Theology for more details.
(China, NK, BLT, NoI ... tight like lips to teeth)
and if you really wanna twist your brain, consider the new Pope and how he and his views figure into the picture, cause they do.

Originally posted by penninja
reply to post by xquietonex

 

yeah and in these early days things of this nature happened...

and over decades America and Russia and England, France and China....spent much time in discussion as to how to see this never happened again...

The results of these discussions you see now as the world falls into regions and nations out of line fall one by one.... NK obviously being next.

That a "plan" is coming into effect over the last decade shld be obvious... after all lol... we had bases in Kazakhstan? Chinese ship design looking very familiar, America semi throwing Israel under the bus China doing the same to NK... they sanctioned the sanctions after all.... so much money between us and China with our troops fighting on their borders in the West no?

So much talk about how China "cares" if the US has a presence? Meanwhile they have been handing us money for all intents and purposes the whole time we have been on their border in Afghanistan

Serious man? These events go back to like 2002. How bout the one where one of Russia's early warning satellites caught some 'sun glint' that gave a warning of a massive first-strike? Again, one guy's judgment call prevented a retaliatory counterattack.

Or when Yeltsin had to make a call on whether a US weather satellite launched by NOAA was a decapitation attempt (some screw-up prevented the Russians from getting the notification). Yeltsin had less than 10 minutes for a decision again.

Early days indeed...

Sorry for the derail OP

reply to post by cavtrooper7


Well i guess the next question would be is how honourable and loyal are the Chinese? I know it is a very important part of there culture,i agree to a point but after all they have made a mutual defence deal with the Nkoreans..

Originally posted by Panic2k11
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

China will never allow a US presence so near their boarder even in Afghanistan we clearly saw the US pussy footing and avoid to go beyond a UN/NATO intervention and delegate as much as it could to the Afghan regime that is clearly not a puppet of the US (at least not even similar to the Iraq as it was in the beginning as to get the signatures for the US companies to rebuild it and ultimately fleece the US citizens). In Afghanistan China could play it lose as it had internal problems already boiling due to Muslim minority revolts. China has not forgotten the past that includes the "smart" bombing of its embassy in Serbia.

Having a technologically capable "enemy" (a democratic united Korea, akin to a new Japan in regards to US interventionism at its boarder is not in the plans), regardless of how crazy they think NK is. North Korea was a creation of the Soviets (not China).

That is a point many people do not know about. Stalin instituted that regime, built it up, and funded it. North Korea couldn't invade the South until Stalin gave them permission.

Many people also don't know that China and Russia/Soviet Union have almost constantly been fighting. They have an immense hate for each other and when Stalin built up NK, China did not like it and still resents that little country. However, they did intervene on NK's behalf when the Soviet Union pulled support after Stalin's death and it was clear the US forces were going to overrun the North.

China, faced with the option of having the US, who they were unfriendly with at this time, backed up to their country, or NK, a Stalin puppet regime, they chose to side with NK. They have ever since had a tenuous relationship with that country.

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by wondermost

 

K, if we kick everyone's ass, all debts are forgiven right ? That's how it was when I went to school. The toughest kid had everyone else's lunch money save that of the coolest kids. So I knew I was to small to be the toughest kid.
But I did manage to get in with coolys. And now, I realize I have no idea where I was going with this so,
The End.

I think I see where you were going. We kick China's tail, and all our debt to them is wiped clean? Would be nice and convenient.