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That's in Colossians, a book probably not written by Paul, but could have been written (after his death, or otherwise leaving the public scene) by people close to Paul and who were familiar with his beliefs.
I thought Paul said that the law was abolished and nailed to the cross etc.
Paul did not "abolish the law".
I got that.
So are you telling me its ok for people to be gay... because Paul abolished the law... which includes the law being against gays?
Paul never said or taught that the law was "abolished".
I don't wish to hijack your thread but you are giving me the impression that Paul was a hypocrite for teaching that the law (inlcuding the law against homosexuality) was abolished.... yet maintains that homosexuals are damned.
But you are the one who seems to be agreeing with Paul....a hypocrite who says the law is abolished... but still condemns homosexuals referring to either the Old Testament law against it... or speaking from his own bias.
Originally posted by backcase
reply to post by Theflyingweldsman
Jesus knows Paul, and He knows you, I and everyone else.
The world would also be full of falsehood.
and read Leviticus 18:22 if you think it is paul's fault for anti homosexuality.edit on 113030p://111 by backcase because: (no reason given)
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
5 So the Pharisees and teachers of the law asked Jesus, “Why don’t your disciples live according to the tradition of the elders instead of eating their food with defiled hands?”
6 He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written:
“‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
7 They worship me in vain;
their teachings are merely human rules.’
8 You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.”
Originally posted by backcase
reply to post by sk0rpi0n
Well the guy I was talking to said that it is Paul's fault for religion being against homos.
I put that the root goes deeper than paul.
I would suggest that you 'check' it yourself.
Check Romans 10:4, Paul clearly states that Jesus was the end of the law and Romans was most definitely written by him.
I would not want to be you on judgement day.
Paul was no different from the Pharisee that Jesus is talking to in this passage. He claims to honor Jesus with his words, but he doesn't honor him in his heart.
Paul's teachings are human traditions. Paul was a Pharisee before his "conversion", I don't think that's just a coincidence
I don't raise the KJ to a glorified status.
Funny, because the KJV says "end". Culmination is the same as end anyways.
I don't think the translators for the NIV are fools.
Telos translates as "end" in English, there's no way around that fact. Google it yourself and you will know that
5056 télos (a neuter noun) – properly, consummation (the end-goal, purpose), such as closure with all its results
So why do you believe it?
I think you set the bar too low with your trust. Paul's whole story of persecution then conversion is fishy . . .
Nice that you focus on one of several definitions, and then slant your interpretation of that, to suite your already decided conclusion, in order to be able to hate on the people who wrote the New Testament.
So you listing a definition saying it means the "end goal" proves me wrong how?
The Book of The Acts of the Apostles.