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Originally posted by anoncoholic
But since you asked, you aren't grasping the power of the Saints. Now also understand what it takes to abandon the very laws of God in bringing justice to an unjust world... bringing good out of an evil world.
Why no man knows the hour? It falls upon the Saints to take that final step and if you saw truth outside the box of lies, you wouldn't be so judgmental towards God by blaming Him for the actions of men.
But then what do I know, I believe in God and feel led.
Nothing personal, I was lost once too...
Originally posted by adjensen
Originally posted by NorEaster
Pretty fascinating stuff.
... and absolute fiction, for which there is zero evidence, and plenty of contradictory proofs.
Originally posted by wildtimes
Nor Easter, great thread. s/f
And THIS nut job....just watch it! She's ready to kill her own kids! Talk about rabid. Holy cow!!
Anyone who says these types would NOT be violent - well, they're mistaken.
Originally posted by NorEaster
Originally posted by anoncoholic
But since you asked, you aren't grasping the power of the Saints. Now also understand what it takes to abandon the very laws of God in bringing justice to an unjust world... bringing good out of an evil world.
Why no man knows the hour? It falls upon the Saints to take that final step and if you saw truth outside the box of lies, you wouldn't be so judgmental towards God by blaming Him for the actions of men.
But then what do I know, I believe in God and feel led.
Nothing personal, I was lost once too...
My question was about Christians, not Christianity. I'm glad you believe that you've found the truth about God and that it's brought you peace and acceptance of the direct intellectual assault on that truth by others as nothing to become aggressive about. Of course, that doesn't mean that all Christians feel the same way that you feel, even if they also feel that they've found the truth about God. And this is what this thread is about - those believers in your truth that don't feel the same way as you do about the appropriate defense of that truth.
They do exist, and we all know that they exist.
Oh, and I'm not lost. I know exactly where I am, but thanks for the concern anyway.
Originally posted by bitsforbytes
Religion is not the cause of people acting like douches. It is the people who practice who are douches. No religion says be a douche.
"Today the religions of the world remain a major tool of the Illuminati agenda." Link
"Every major religion in the world has been manufactured or infiltrated by the Illuminati to enslave and brainwash society. In essence, religion was the first form of mind control." Link
What if I were to tell you, that there is a vast Satanic conspiracy to deceive the masses of every society on earth? What if I were to tell you that the top leaders of the world’s religions were in league with the Devil? Would you think I’m crazy? I would! Yet, the truth is stranger than fiction! You have been lied to my friend. Few people in the world today are aware of just how much Satan has infiltrated and is behind ALL false religion.
Source
No comment on the other videos, not particularly interested in them.
Originally posted by Malcher
Originally posted by Byrd
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Can you name any wars fought for the sake of Christianity?
Not mentioned there are the actions against the Native Americans (which included things like kidnapping children to make sure they were raised Christian) and various genocides in North America in the name of Christianity.
Those may have been actions of a government, what are the sources you are referring to?
Native American children were forced to attend by kidnapping, though Native American families fought and resisted. At their own peril, parents often tried to hide their children, but to no avail. Tragically, our own Christian churches were in cahoots with the government to "kill the Indian and save the soul." It is appalling to learn that untold numbers of children have been killed in these religious boarding schools.
www.missionarymyth.com...
Originally posted by Malcher
Originally posted by wildtimes
Nor Easter, great thread. s/f
And THIS nut job....just watch it! She's ready to kill her own kids! Talk about rabid. Holy cow!!
Anyone who says these types would NOT be violent - well, they're mistaken.
Who would ever think that one would come up again? I havent seen that for a few years but it is well known to be a hoax. No comment on the other videos, not particularly interested in them.
Originally posted by NorEaster
Originally posted by anoncoholic
But since you asked, you aren't grasping the power of the Saints. Now also understand what it takes to abandon the very laws of God in bringing justice to an unjust world... bringing good out of an evil world.
Why no man knows the hour? It falls upon the Saints to take that final step and if you saw truth outside the box of lies, you wouldn't be so judgmental towards God by blaming Him for the actions of men.
But then what do I know, I believe in God and feel led.
Nothing personal, I was lost once too...
My question was about Christians, not Christianity. I'm glad you believe that you've found the truth about God and that it's brought you peace and acceptance of the direct intellectual assault on that truth by others as nothing to become aggressive about. Of course, that doesn't mean that all Christians feel the same way that you feel, even if they also feel that they've found the truth about God. And this is what this thread is about - those believers in your truth that don't feel the same way as you do about the appropriate defense of that truth.
They do exist, and we all know that they exist.
Oh, and I'm not lost. I know exactly where I am, but thanks for the concern anyway.
Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by Malcher
Why's that, because they're not "hoaxes"?
The first on is a preacher selling "next Sunday's sermon" and stating clearly that the Bible calls for him and his followers to be violent...be VIOLENT. His word. He compares the suggestion to violence to shooting varmints or dogs.
Originally posted by wildtimes
Would you like me to post the one I watched earlier that someone posted about Christians for Israel? It was a conference for these Evangelical "bring on Armageddon" people who had a Jewish press reporter thrown OUT of the conference just for asking questions. Heard of John Hagee? Yeah. War-mongering Evangelist - brought in $1.2 MILLION dollars on that conference alone. Salary is decided on by HIM and his family. Lives in a Greek Revival home of over 5,000 square feet, on an 80 acre ranch worth $2 million or something like that.
Yeah, nice peaceful guy.
And there were politicians there supporting him. Surprise! Rick Santorum, and Tom DeLay.
Originally posted by wildtimes
I can point you to it if you'd like. Don't try to minimize that this happens - even if the fat lady was pulling a "Jerry Springer" act for the reality show she was on - she was portraying REAL behaviors that people practice who buy into that crap.
But it figures that those who deny the threat of violence would "ignore" the other two vids. Inconvenient truth much?edit on 2-4-2013 by wildtimes because: (no reason given)
The occult (as vehemently opposed by that woman in the vid ) is a stain on your purity. Whether it is Tarot, or astrology, or numerology, it all puts a persons Faith into objects and abstract forms of Spirit. God is a jealous God... Why use superficiality to contact Him? You can't, and all you are contacting is a different spirit and most don't recognize that. ... because the devil won't stop you if you are already in his hand... but will impede you if you walk with God.
I avoid blaming one group because it is biased.
I also made it clear i didn't watch the video so was not commenting on it.
Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by anoncoholic
The occult (as vehemently opposed by that woman in the vid ) is a stain on your purity. Whether it is Tarot, or astrology, or numerology, it all puts a persons Faith into objects and abstract forms of Spirit. God is a jealous God... Why use superficiality to contact Him? You can't, and all you are contacting is a different spirit and most don't recognize that. ... because the devil won't stop you if you are already in his hand... but will impede you if you walk with God.
I hesitated twice before responding to this...but here goes:
You talk about "love", and then turn around and say "God is a jealous God."
Nonsense.
What astrologers or Tarot readers or numerologists tell people to "kill in God's name"? To beat the crap out of their kids if they make a childish mistake?
There's NOTHING pure about the sort of violence that that woman (hoax or not) is portraying. She's vicious. And those kids who undergo that kind of "parenting" will be hurt. That's all good in your book?
All I can say for myself is that I leave it to God to straighten evil out. None of us alone have what it takes to wage psychic warfare.
Rest assured though, this battle has always been in the mind.
Originally posted by Byrd
Originally posted by Malcher
Originally posted by Byrd
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Can you name any wars fought for the sake of Christianity?
Not mentioned there are the actions against the Native Americans (which included things like kidnapping children to make sure they were raised Christian) and various genocides in North America in the name of Christianity.
Those may have been actions of a government, what are the sources you are referring to?
It's a fairly well-known part of our history. "Indian boarding schools" were often religiously based, and were very controversial once we got over the "send them all to the reservation" mentality.
Consider this source (there are many others... this is just an article by a Native American, talking about the history of his people):
Native American children were forced to attend by kidnapping, though Native American families fought and resisted. At their own peril, parents often tried to hide their children, but to no avail. Tragically, our own Christian churches were in cahoots with the government to "kill the Indian and save the soul." It is appalling to learn that untold numbers of children have been killed in these religious boarding schools.
www.missionarymyth.com...
I should note here that the children were not deliberately killed, but died from poor living conditions and from diseases that often ran rampant through these schools.edit on 2-4-2013 by Byrd because: (no reason given)
At any rate, it is unreasonable to expect everyone to comprehend everything exactly the same way.
Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by Malcher
I avoid blaming one group because it is biased.
I also made it clear i didn't watch the video so was not commenting on it.
Perhaps you should watch it. And no, you didn't make it clear you didn't watch the video - you said you weren't interested in it.
The OP is talking about THOSE KINDS of people, not Christians in general. The answer to his question is "Yes. There are definitely so-called 'Christian' people who become violent when their religion is threatened." You also didn't respond to the point about the guy in Wichita who MURDERED a doctor IN CHURCH based on his religion.
Maybe if you were paying attention to what goes on, you wouldn't say "I could care less." You should care, and I won't even go into the grammar issue with that comeback. I "could care" a "lot less", and save myself some grief and flaming and hatred, but I won't stop caring, because people are being harmed by that type of religion, and it has NOTHING to do with Jesus' teachings. I'm not an atheist, but I'm also NOT a follower of any Abrahamic faith; I'd be 'labelled' an agnostic seeker, I guess.
The big three, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam have proven track records of PRODUCING murderous zealots, all three of them.edit on 2-4-2013 by wildtimes because: (no reason given)