New Warning predicts "Sundown in America"

Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
One of the things I find rather puzzling about this thread is the fact that it has 19 flags at this point, but only 8 participants so far. This is a huge issue, regardless of whether you buy the argument or not. I guess this is emblematic of the general population, namely most people ignore the issue and hope it will go away, rather than be proactive concerning their future. Oh well, I guess I shouldn't be surprised. They can back to their "reality" and fantasy shows. The real world is a little too scary for many, I guess.

Not everyone has the time to read the OP and the link and post a reply immediately, myself for one had the time to read the post and link but life takes time and things need to be dealt with before we sit down for hours to post.

But your post does have merit, perhaps I am the exception and not the rule here.......If so than you are correct and no offense meant at all.

Regards, Iwinder

In my opinion the collapse happened already, the house of cards is only being propped up by politicians and bankers trying to prolong the inevitable. Wether that is for the betterment of society or just purely for thier own gain is yet to be seen

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I agree and to avoid a one liner post I will add this, things are not as good as portrayed in Canada, we pay a lot of taxes and we a lot in heating bills.

Regardless of things going downhill, our government is hell bent on procuring new fighter jets and the more expensive the better......


Sucks to be a Canuck right now


Regards, Iwinder

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The world is moving away from the USD as the reserve currency, as we type.

The BRIC"S nations in South Africa have resolved to create a replacement for the IMF, and base it on the yen.

Even Austrailia is abandoning the USD to trade with China and Asia.

For those that don't understand - the BRIC"s are Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa.

Why aren't people talking about this? Is it being buried in the MSM?

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members of Congress a single six-year term, with no re-election...

That is the single most important thing in the op's post that would constitute change in America.

Originally posted by rangersdad
reply to post by RadicalRebel

 

The first thing that has to change is the Federal Minimum wage...it should be at the minimum $14/hr....this will spur spending and some saving by the people that dont have much, plus if they have to refi a home, it will be easier and towns wont look like ghost towns because people have had to vacate their most valued possession. The rich will still get richer, but they only get richer if the little guy has money to spend.

Unemployment, underemployment or prices - or more likely a combination of all three -would rise across the board.

You can't fix the problems caused by too much intervention artficially distorting the market... by intervening to further artficially distort the market.

Originally posted by camaro68ss
I talked about this yesterday around the dinner table for easter. scared alot of family members that were blind, they now also think im crazy so there still blind.

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That's what it takes though. After that they start to notice little things at a time on their own. They know where it came from to begin with, I can have intelligent conversations with some of the family now, well except mom and dad are up the Govt's butt. In their 70's and got to ride the good times without making sure the grandkids and anything to enjoy in life.

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With capitalism, a nation has to decide if it wants a progressively stable and prosperous economy, or if it wants wealth to indicate its value. It can't tread both paths.

Yes.

The former leads to a generally longer stable economy enjoyed by the majority of the nation, but requires a fiscal rectitude of socialistic resonance (i.e., prudent management of the nations economic health), in which wealth returns uninterrupted back into the economy; whereas the latter generates wealth for a small percentage whom then lock that wealth away from the economy, and return nothing back to it, which then breeds a fiscal impoverishment in the larger percentage of the nation.

The capitalistic choice is therefore, either one of benign positive feedback, or one of malignant negative loss.

This ^ is so brilliantly stated. Please excuse me for breaking up the paragraph for emphasis to your points.
EDIT:
@ RadicalRebel:Star and flag from way earlier today. Just hadn't had time to go through the entire thread. Scary stuff, that. Well done!

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On one hand, he wants to separate federal power and the economy yet, on the other hand, he talks about restricting banks with regulations that won't allow them to trade.

What he's really saying but just won't come out and say it is that we need more legislative involvement in the economy but it just needs to be the right kind.

Originally posted by bdb818888
reply to post by incoserv

 

I've been reading threads like this for the past 5 years saying America is going to collapse, well how about giving a date, nobody seems to be able to give a date, IMO its all B.S. until someone can come up with a date, and the people who do come up with a date, it never happens.Someone please show me 100% proof that America is going to collapse and give me a date when.

I have no proof and I don't have a date and I'm far from a conspiracy nut, but I truly believe that the world economy is a giant house of cards with the US sitting at the top, and we just keep adding and adding cards - one of these days it will fall - and we will land... hard..

Our Government is Greedy it's inevitable, a free nation without the value of money would be awesome.
This is when I hate being an american because it all comes down to money in the end.

Originally posted by KyleMeacham
Our Government is Greedy it's inevitable, a free nation without the value of money would be awesome.
This is when I hate being an American because it all comes down to money in the end.

It all comes down to money everywhere

We all knew it was comming, arrive it has. For myself my red flag awakening happened when BRICS was formed and the bodley told the world they would be the new superpower and economic powers. I thought as i watched this unfold, but destroying us will cause a world economic Tsunami of epic disaster.
I been preparing earnestly for nearly 2 years. I couldnt get a single family member to believe me so i been slowly doing the best i can. I did manage to convince my husband january of last year to pull our 401 and savings we payed off all our bills still owe a little on a mortgage and bought a few plots of land . I feel fortunate to my location, out in the middle of nowhere, well water and plenty of hunting. We did install a hand pump for the well. A lake a short distance fromus we can throw a trout line out in the dark and retrieve it before the sun comes up. Ive learned all the plants we can eat i even learned how to find seeds on the ground. I know to watch what the animals eat i can eat, especially deer. Im a little worried but i figure when everything collapses the city folks will start rooting the stores then when thats all gone they will start slaughtering each other after this they will wonder out of the cities heading into unknown areas like mountains and deserts. If your not use to mountain or desert living it will take your life, so i evaluate us people living in harsh conditions will probably stand a chance of living.

This is the undeniable math that portrays our situation. Its deeper.. but the educated person would've realize SOOOOMETHING was wrong after analyzing everything in the first quote as it orginally began to unfold. Problem is, because of them you can see how uneducated we are.

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I don't know if the trigger will be when gas prices hit new highs this summer, or when the Euro implodes, but even the most clueless among us will figure it out at some point. I remember in 2008 many liberals were saying no one warned them. All these same people now think we are in a recovery...

Originally posted by EvillerBob

Originally posted by rangersdad
reply to post by RadicalRebel

 

The first thing that has to change is the Federal Minimum wage...it should be at the minimum $14/hr....this will spur spending and some saving by the people that dont have much, plus if they have to refi a home, it will be easier and towns wont look like ghost towns because people have had to vacate their most valued possession. The rich will still get richer, but they only get richer if the little guy has money to spend.

Unemployment, underemployment or prices - or more likely a combination of all three -would rise across the board.

You can't fix the problems caused by too much intervention artficially distorting the market... by intervening to further artficially distort the market.

Absolutely correct. Intervention is the markets is what got us in this mess. If something is too big to fail, then it should be dismantled before it self-destructs. You would have to be delusional to believe we can fix this mess by printing money or artificially raising wages. The market needs to find it's own equilibrium.

I have read through this thread and don't have anything new to contribute. I have a couple of questions that came to mind though. If the United States falls and ultimately the rest of the world will follow, what will governments and corporations do with angry masses, globally? Would our troops turn on its own citizens? Where would the wealthy and lawmakers go and be safe?

The questions leave me to hope that the people who can stop such an event, will do so in their own self interests.

Originally posted by bdb818888
reply to post by incoserv

 

I've been reading threads like this for the past 5 years saying America is going to collapse, well how about giving a date, nobody seems to be able to give a date, IMO its all B.S. until someone can come up with a date, and the people who do come up with a date, it never happens.Someone please show me 100% proof that America is going to collapse and give me a date when.

You know, just because a cancer patient isn't dead today and nobody knows exactly when he's going to die, doesn't mean that he'll be alive forever, buddy.

The handwriting is on the wall. The government has over spent. They are printing fiat money like Scott Tissue makes toilet paper. This has all been done in the past, though not on this scale. It has never worked before. It takes a powerful imagination to believe that it's going to work this time.

I hope you're right. I hope that in ten of fifteen years, people who think like me all come out looking like idiots.

You sir, just received my first flag. I will also star you. Two things that I have been saying, believing, hoping to happen: 1. A single term for all elected citizen/officials. It was never intended to be a career! 2. End the lobbying. Period. Especially grotesque is the revolving door of government officials turning into lobbyists, and lobbyists turning into government officials. This practice is criminal, unethical, and intolerable!!!! It may be too late; but at least we can try to make amends. Wake up SHEEPLE!

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Well if they raised the minimum wage on a yearly basis as prices rise, it would be around $14 by now....instead of half of that.

What about those 80 years of non-doom?

Krugman is right, conservatives are always screaming that the end is near- this decade it's QE, last decade it was going to be hyperinflation, before that it was Nato taking over the country with black helicopters.

Yes America has serious problems, but it's not because of the government, and the country isn't going to implode without some large, manufactured catastrophe.

What is probably going to happen is that economic classes are going to become permanent social classes- people who are poor today are not going to have any chance of moving up in America, and neither will their children.