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posted on Apr, 1 2013 @ 10:47 AM
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Do you know the Rise of Hitler? How long it took? History always repeats until we learn the lesson...


Obama was put into office to further divide the nation but he is only setting up the stage for the main performance...




posted on Apr, 1 2013 @ 11:15 AM
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Not to mention that six major Canadian banks got downgraded by Moodys: Toronto-Dominion, Bank of Nova Scotia, Bank of Montreal, CIBC. National Bank and Desjardins. We're not as safe as everyone thinks.



posted on Apr, 1 2013 @ 11:31 AM
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The article (even as opinion) proved to be a very interesting and informative analysis from someone once involved in the financial world's machinations.

With capitalism, a nation has to decide if it wants a progressively stable and prosperous economy, or if it wants wealth to indicate its value. It can't tread both paths. The former leads to a generally longer stable economy enjoyed by the majority of the nation, but requires a fiscal rectitude of socialistic resonance (i.e., prudent management of the nations economic health), in which wealth returns uninterrupted back into the economy; whereas the latter generates wealth for a small percentage whom then lock that wealth away from the economy, and return nothing back to it, which then breeds a fiscal impoverishment in the larger percentage of the nation. The capitalistic choice is therefore, either one of benign positive feedback, or one of malignant negative loss.

The choice chosen back in 1933 was that of malignant loss when Roosevelt signed in 'Fiat Currency' policy, stripping the nations's currency from the gold reserves that gave it its true value, a value that was now passed onto the 'bearer' by virtue of promised payment. The dollar's real value ceased to be, and became literally overnight nothing more than 'virtual'. Since then, America's wealth became tied to negative equity, which has always been a negative image of what 'real' wealth looks like. Instead of accumulating 'real' wealth affixed to valued commodities, it simply accumulated 'real' debt based on a 'promise' of payment only. It grew debt as if it were a measure of wealth, as if the debt WAS wealth!

America is not on its own, other western economies followed suit, and fiscal policies have been designed and implemented in order to cement global interconnectiveness, and thus, most of the developed nations are in the same sinking fiscal boat.

The problem now is the manner in which the players (financial elite) want to begin managing the debt. They know that it is impossible to pay it back without incurring severe financial penalty and loss to themselves personally, so they are off-setting the debt to the people of the various nations so that they do not lose anything of personal wealth, and the governments are colluding with them and allowing it to happen, because their personal wealth is also at risk, and they are not about to allow themselves to lose a single dime to their nefarious fiscal practices. They have to juggle things precariously, because a real financial collapse is obviously not in their best interest. What's the point of having wealth if you don't live in a society stable enough to allow you to enjoy it?



posted on Apr, 1 2013 @ 11:42 AM
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This has all been plan a few year's ago
Here is the how and why Canada is going to get a haircut
and everybody else sooner or later
www.fdic.gov...

Your have only yourseft to blame if you do not read it
I'm about 80% out of the system now



posted on Apr, 1 2013 @ 11:49 AM
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Originally posted by rangersdad
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I dont believe what this moron says.....during the 80's he thought that "trickle down economics" was a good thing...we need trickle up economics to get the country on the road to prosperity...if the little guy has money to spend, he spends it...if the rich have money to spend, they hoard it.....


Trickle down economics is one of the reasons we are in the mess we are in.

It's great in theory...just like *gasp* communism!



posted on Apr, 1 2013 @ 12:48 PM
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since I have for good faith sent taxes to the beast in the east to the tune of .25 mill - if the scenario plays out the banksters had best live figure out how to live w/out seeing the sun and never come out of their hidey holes.



posted on Apr, 1 2013 @ 01:04 PM
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I've been reading threads like this for the past 5 years saying America is going to collapse, well how about giving a date, nobody seems to be able to give a date, IMO its all B.S. until someone can come up with a date, and the people who do come up with a date, it never happens.Someone please show me 100% proof that America is going to collapse and give me a date when.



posted on Apr, 1 2013 @ 01:49 PM
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Originally posted by RedShirt73
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Not to mention that six major Canadian banks got downgraded by Moodys: Toronto-Dominion, Bank of Nova Scotia, Bank of Montreal, CIBC. National Bank and Desjardins. We're not as safe as everyone thinks.


Nasty little housing bubble up north also. Explains the crazy prices we used to see here in the states for housing a few years ago. As far as a date on the collapse, should have happened years ago. They have just been printing money like it's going out of style. Before that the Chinese bought all the debt that they could find. Derivatives outstanding that exceed the worlds GDP by 500%. My best guess is that the Greek, Cyprus, and Eurozone problems are the cracks in the damn.
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posted on Apr, 1 2013 @ 01:54 PM
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Yeah i have many threads too but not many of them (that I have read) have been based on the words of people withsuch credentials nor published in such "mainstream" media.

In my opinion the collapse happened already, the house of cards is only being propped up by politicians and bankers trying to prolong the inevitable. Wether that is for the betterment of society or just purely for thier own gain is yet to be seen



posted on Apr, 1 2013 @ 02:12 PM
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Originally posted by RadicalRebel
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Yeah i have many threads too but not many of them (that I have read) have been based on the words of people withsuch credentials nor published in such "mainstream" media.

In my opinion the collapse happened already, the house of cards is only being propped up by politicians and bankers trying to prolong the inevitable. Wether that is for the betterment of society or just purely for thier own gain is yet to be seen

If you say the collapse has already happen, then my money is absolutely useless ? I can still buy everything I need, my money seems to spend well. If America has collapse like you believe it to be, everything would have come to a screeching halt , no trucks would be delivering, money would be useless , there would be absolute chaos in the streets, I just don't see it.



posted on Apr, 1 2013 @ 02:23 PM
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TPTB are now looking to Asteroid mining to boost the U.S. economy and the world economy. Should the collapse be allowed to happen so that things can start anew? Or have another major World War to bring about real change? I don't know for sure. One thing that seems apparent is that a real change is coming but just what that change will be is unclear to me. It seems to me that all of these World problems/ issues are being used as a sort of false-flag to divert people's attention from a major announcement that is coming down the pipeline. Something is up.



posted on Apr, 1 2013 @ 02:25 PM
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I'm wondering why nobody has yet mentioned the option of one currency and one organisation managing the worlds economy, because although I'm not moving this thread to a NWO thread, doesnt it make sense if you see it from a outside looking in persepective, and no im not in anyway outside the issues we are facing, I'm just sort of playing devils advocate I suppose.

The way I see it is that at the moment and Obama mentioned it in his first win speech that he wanted to to see a spread of wealth, but I dont think he only meant in America, they way I take that as it seems to be happening is that wealthy countries such as europe and america are seeing their economies and standards of living decreased and emerging economies seeing their wealth and economies grow.

Now at some point they are going to meet, the standard of living across the globe in countries where it needs to happen will eventually be the same, and then you are getting closer to a fair global economy and the perfect situation to move to a single economy and a single currency.

So to me this situation is still being managed and although very, very difficult to manage I see it as we are living through a period of time of huge change and a move towards a very different way of running the world.

Saying that I am worried, but in terms of a financial loss Im not to worried about that as I have no savings.



posted on Apr, 1 2013 @ 02:27 PM
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I've been reading threads like this for the past 5 years saying America is going to collapse, well how about giving a date, nobody seems to be able to give a date, IMO its all B.S. until someone can come up with a date, and the people who do come up with a date, it never happens. Someone please show me 100% proof that America is going to collapse and give me a date when.

I understand your frustration.

One thing I will give those in charge of the Western economies, they have worked a real miracle by preventing the collapse so far.

However one thing is certain: the longer the collapse is prevented, the harder the fall is going to be.

Being one of those who had been predicting an imminent collapse for the last few years, it would be silly of me to predict another date. However, I will give a hint. Watch out for the creation of the BRICS Bank and introduction of a common BRICS trading currency.



posted on Apr, 1 2013 @ 02:47 PM
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Yes, if they had allowed it to collapse without giving it crutches trucks would stop, businesses would fail, more and more people would either turn to big bro or take to the streets, neither which are very productive or profitable.

This money you spend, where did it come from? What is it backed by?

Without the fed constantly injecting funds into the economy for the past few years you wouldnt have it at all, my guess is not many people would. One of he points mentioned in the NYT article was the concern of if/when the fed decides "enough is enough"....thats when our house of cards will lose its illusion of stability and then your money will truly be worthless.

I think though that when push comes to shove, America will be will still be able to have trucks rolling so to speak, maybe not by the means or at the levels we are currently at, but even the 1% understand that life goes on...



posted on Apr, 1 2013 @ 02:56 PM
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I'm very impressed by the article.
Not just for what it says, nor even for who said it,
but because I had to alt-tab twice to look up words he was using.

I like that.
The author is talking with us, not down-to-us.
Plus one too him.


Allow me to state my position so the reader can see my prejudice before I criticize his article.


My position: there is only one thing wrong with this whole mess, and one thing only. Are we asking the right question? And who are we asking. I should be asking everyone,
and the question is [color=gold] "what is your definition of profit".


Now for my Criticism.


Did he ask a single question?
What is the right question, and who should we ask.
It appears that no, he is not asking, he is telling.
Worse yet, he is saying that there is no answer.
(No answer that will happen in the real)

All without asking a question in the first place.



Mike Grouchy
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posted on Apr, 1 2013 @ 03:33 PM
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Everybody is asking for a date. If that were known, a lot of activity regarding that date would be initiated. But it is impossible to pinpoint with a snap shot of the big picture and the decisions made by the leaders over the coming months. Obama digs himself into big holes, than creates other catatrophies to divert attention from his screw ups.

The final straw will be either N. Korea or Iran pulling the trigger. This will force our response, which will be very costly and we will go bankrupt the US as a result. The pain will be too great and unrest fueled by a polarized public and increased small arms sales will effectively boil into a US revolution. Obama will of course take over the dictatorship role, what was his goal all along.

The master puppeters will move the world into a NWO.



posted on Apr, 1 2013 @ 03:51 PM
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i was talking to my girlfriends daughter she 23 & her husband is 29 & talking to her she doesnt see it coming !!
she was talking about investing & i let her in on the 40% that cypress is going to dip into the saving & checking of it citizens , she just looked at me blankly
man i tried to tell her its coming here & we are going to fall & its not going to happen gradually , i used post ww1 germany as an example , the dollar will not by anything just like a million marx's didnt by a loaf of bread .
it needs to collapse to be rebuilt



posted on Apr, 1 2013 @ 04:06 PM
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The first thing that has to change is the Federal Minimum wage...it should be at the minimum $14/hr....this will spur spending and some saving by the people that dont have much, plus if they have to refi a home, it will be easier and towns wont look like ghost towns because people have had to vacate their most valued possession. The rich will still get richer, but they only get richer if the little guy has money to spend.



posted on Apr, 1 2013 @ 04:14 PM
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The simple fact is that it is not only America treading on thin ice nowadays. As your OP accurately points out, many of the other leading economies in the world in dire trouble too.

To put it simply, governments the world over have forgotten the simple pledge that they are run 'by the people, for the people' and shareholder owned corporations and the silly notion that we close our factories in our home countries in order to import the same thing we used to make, but at a lower quality and a lower price in order to make a higher profit for 'hangers on' who actually to no work at all I.e said shareholders is what killed capitalism.



posted on Apr, 1 2013 @ 04:40 PM
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To the OP I read and S&Fed you this morning but only found the time to respond now.

After reading your post and the link I can't for the life of me understand the naysayers on this thread?

I mean that he lays it out so simple but yet so completely that you have to shake your head at the thought of folks not understanding this problem.

I thank you for bringing this to the table.

Regards, Iwinder





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