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To properly grasp the meaning of Romans 10:4, we must first understand what Paul meant by the phrase “the end of the law.” The Greek word translated “end” is telos (Strong’s #5056), meaning “the point aimed at; result.” In other words, Paul is saying that God’s spiritual Law, which God also calls “holy, and just, and good” (Rom. 7:12), points to Christ, who “[left] us an example, that you should follow His steps” (I Pet. 2:21). It is Christ living in us that enables us to keep God’s holy, perfect Law, which we lack the spiritual strength to keep, of and by ourselves (Rom. 7:14-25; 8:7-8). The Christian’s ultimate goal is to become like Christ, “the Author and Finisher of our faith” (Heb. 12:2).
No, I don't think so.
Well, Jesus was pretty rude then for attacking the Pharisees for not knowing who He was then wasn't He? Kinda evil for Him to pronounce spiritual blindness on the Jews for not knowing the "Day of their Visitation" then huh??
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
No, I don't think so.
Well, Jesus was pretty rude then for attacking the Pharisees for not knowing who He was then wasn't He? Kinda evil for Him to pronounce spiritual blindness on the Jews for not knowing the "Day of their Visitation" then huh??
They were expecting someone.
Jesus was there demonstrating the power of God and saying he was there to fulfill some messianic prophecies.
So they were spiritually blind.
Now, from the point of view of those people who were given the opportunity to make a decision on believing in him or not, what they knew at that point was that here was this man making claims about himself and appearing to be performing miracles.
Was that the same thing that you think you know which you base your salvation on?
No, I would think there is more, like Jesus dying and being risen from the dead, and then ascending into heaven.
None of those people, including his own disciples, could have predicted that.edit on 31-3-2013 by jmdewey60 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by NOTurTypical
So by being terrified of him, they rejected his offer? One does not relate to the other.
Main Entry: te·los
Pronunciation: ˈte-ˌläs, ˈtē-
Function: noun
Etymology: Greek; probably akin to Greek tellein to accomplish, tlēnai to bear — more at tolerate
Date: 1904
: an ultimate end
telos (n.)
1904, from Greek telos "the end"
Yes! Real faith is about trust of and true surrender to the Divine - and only such surrender makes possible the fulfilling of Jesus' core commandments to love.
Originally posted by DISRAELI
If you go to a deeper level, ignoring the superficial fact that different words are used, you may find the possibility that "Faith" (which is about throwing yourself upon God in trust) comes to much the same thing as loving God with all your heart.
Originally posted by Murgatroid
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
So my question is this: why do Christians believe that faith is what saves when Jesus clearly says keeping the Law is what saves?
The blood of the Lamb is what saves.
If the law could save us, Jesus death was for nothing.
Why even STUDY the Word if you don't believe it?
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
The Law can be summed up with two simple commandments that Jesus proposed, to love god and to love your neighbor as yourself. Jesus said on more than one occasion that in order to pass to life, you must keep the commandments.
John 15
10 When you obey my commandments, you remain in my love, just as I obey my Father's commandments and remain in his love.
Jesus says in order for you to remain in his love, you must keep his commandments. In other words, keep his commands and you are "saved".
Luke 10
25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”
27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’”
28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”
Again, Jesus clearly says that in order to inherit eternal life, you must keep his two commandments.
It makes so much sense too, if we all truly kept his commands and truly loved one another as ourselves, there would be no war, no lies, no murder, etc. There would be peace on Earth and the world would be full of love. Heaven would truly be on Earth.
So my question is this: why do Christians believe that faith is what saves when Jesus clearly says keeping the Law is what saves?
I think you are loosing track of your own statements you have made.
You're quite wrong, they knew He was coming one day, and Christ held them accountable for not knowing the exact day.
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by NOTurTypical
So gentiles were never given the chance to be saved during the Law? That doesn't sound very fair.
You are just making this up.
That's because before the atonement man was forgiven of their sin, but they were yet to be atoned for.
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by NOTurTypical
That still doesn't explain why they rejected his offer. If they were trying to bring people closer to God, they would have accepted his offer. There's no reason for them to reject a personal relationship when that's what they were aiming for all along.
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
You are just making this up.
That's because before the atonement man was forgiven of their sin, but they were yet to be atoned for.
It doesn't say in the New Testament that sins need to be atoned for.
Jesus was an atonement, it says, but it is just a conciliatory gift to bring God and man together, and it is obviously used in a metaphorical sense.
You are taking that, and misunderstanding it to support a theory of salvation where your sins have to be somehow 'paid' for.