North Korea Watch 2013-2019

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You also have to keep in mind that there will be slight meanings that will be lost in translation.

There is several Chinese and Korean terms that can be roughly translated as “warning” depending on the context.

It may have been better translated as “put you on notice” or “make you aware” instead of “warn you”

The term “warn you” carries a specified meaning in the English language. And the terms in other languages that may be translated to “warn you” may not exactly carry the same meaning.

As the old saying goes, “There is no direct translation for that”

The best you can do in translated text is to try and get the general meaning, because the small inflictions will be lost in translation.

I see what your saying, and your right. It's still a warning that they won't give a solid warning no matter what words they used...dumb move either way. Takes out some (not quit all) of the surprise.
I'm sure they didn't specifically say this was a warning in their threat, but it still is. the gist is still the same.
PS not trying to be rude about it. I just had the urge to slowly shake my head at this one.

He is getting his ideas from the Internet lol

I posted this yesterday in this very thread

Meh The guy isn't dumb, he's not a superstitious type either like our pals in the Middle E... No Numerology here IF he's going to do something stupid he'll wait until the attention fades and every one thinks we've backed down and the vigil on missile defense isn't so high... day after day on high alert takes it's toll.... he'll keep us guessing, everyone...this date, that date until everyone assumes it wasn't a real threat and no one cares... Most likely he wont do squat don't get me wrong, but if he does it wont be at a predictable day/hr....

KIm obviously read this and immediately IM'd his generals

OMG this guy in USA has great idea! NO tell USA when we attack! Call USA right now and tell them we no Tell them when attack comes!... Oh yeah and send me more Pie.

US Black Hawk Chopper Down. Near North Korean border!


A US military Black Hawk helicopter has crashed near the border with North Korea, according to a South Korean defence official.

The helicopter, identified by the Yonhap news agency as a UH-60 Black Hawk, came down in Cheolwon county, a defence ministry spokesman told AFP.


black hawk down

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O man. I wonder if it was a pilot/mechanical error, or something more sinister. holding hopes on error.

op i do not intend to derail your thread but an issue has come up , and it is related to Korea and the soon to come war in Korea.

The event in Boston today is a tragic event and my thoughts and prayers have gone to them there, and continue to do so.

Some of you have stated that this is a false flag event as to the gun grab, er gun ban, I think not, but is one, that is to say, it is a false flag event being related to gun ban> but, yes i do think it is a false flag event related to North Korea , lets hope I am wrong or we are looking at an other Afghanistan.

Something tells me that it will be reported that a Asian man or one with ties to Un er DPRK was seen, or videoed taped putting the devices in the trash cans in Boston, , thus giving the Gov reason to make a retaliatory strike on Un, DPRK to ease the tension in Asia.
Japan and China are at it again www3.nhk.or.jp... the last thing we need is a Japan /China war when we have Un to deal with , [yes there are other possibility's as to whom may have done this, but this seems to be to most obviously the one to me.]

For we need them to deal with Un, and not be at war with each other, and to have the people of the US behind this new war that , in one way or another,will come to be.

Would the US do this? , [9/11 is all i am going to say on that]
It is a horrific event that to place, so to was 9/11, Pearl Harbor,
and the Gov did know about them before any of them events happened.

SK would be to obvious to have it happen there, and the public response would be "so it is there, let it be their problem" or "we have enough forces there why send more" .

There are other factors to make this war now , gold is in a slump, job openings are low, to much attention on the hill, the list goes on, but you the reader should get the idea.
Now for the news of the day on SK and DPRK
Yonhap has to many to list , english.yonhapnews.co.kr... but here is one that did catch my eye

Seoul denies secret contact with N. Korea
SEOUL, April 16 (Yonhap) -- South Korea's unification ministry on Tuesday denied having any behind-the-scenes contact with North Korea to defuse inter-Korean tensions that have been running high amid Pyongyang's saber-rattling.

"The ministry is not aware of any under-the-table contact," a senior ministry official said, declining to be identified. "Now is not the right time for such a move."

The statement comes as some North Korean observers here claimed Seoul may be trying to engage in talks with Pyongyang to persuade that country to come to the negotiating table in order to lay out their demands. Such a move is aimed at diffusing cross-border tensions that have reached their highest levels in two decades.

Such speculation gained credence when President Park Geun-hye "suddenly" proposed talks with the North last week after Seoul had been stressing the need to first create an environment that can help negotiations down the line.

Park, however, remained steadfast to the principle of a nuclear-free Korean Peninsula and the need for Pyongyang to give up its weapons of mass destruction.

The ministry official, meanwhile, said that Seoul will continue to urge the North to make "right choices" to diffuse tensions and will do its utmost to push the communist country to change and become a respected member of the international community.

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NBC has a list of news worthy articles www.nbcnews.com... Still working on the China US thread.

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You are spreading propoganda and definately hijacking the thread. This is wrong to blame ANYONE before you have evidence.

No wonder fear mongering starts.

reply to post by PutAQuarterIn
i will, put the KCNA version up just for you from KCNA link www.kcna.kp...

KPA Supreme Command Sends Ultimatum to S. Korean Puppet Forces

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Pyongyang, April 16 (KCNA) -- The supreme command of the Korean People's Army issued the following ultimatum to the south Korean puppet forces on Tuesday:
The world is in a festive mood on the auspicious Day of the Sun.
Even though an acute situation is prevailing in the DPRK, all the people are celebrating the Day of the Sun as the greatest national holiday.
It is only the south Korean puppet forces who hurled a group of anti-communist gangsters into a rally against the DPRK in the heart of Seoul in broad daylight at which they set fire to the portraits, the symbols of its supreme dignity, the thrice-cursed crime.
All the service personnel and people of the DPRK are simmering with towering resentment at this monstrous criminal act.
In view of this situation the Supreme Command of the KPA sends the following ultimatum to the south Korean puppet forces:
Our retaliatory action will start without any notice from now as such thrice-cursed criminal act of hurting the dignity of the supreme leadership of the DPRK is being openly committed in the heart of Seoul under the patronage of the puppet authorities.
To be included in the targets of retaliation are those directly or indirectly involved in the operation to hurt the dignity of the supreme leadership of the DPRK and those who instigated the perpetrators and connived their crime and the relevant organs and departments of the authorities involved.
The DPRK's revolutionary armed forces will start immediately their just military actions to show how the service personnel and people of the DPRK value and protect the dignity of the supreme leadership.
The military demonstration of the DPRK's revolutionary armed forces will be powerful sledge-hammer blows at all hostile forces hurting the dignity of the supreme leadership of the DPRK.
3. If the puppet authorities truly want dialogue and negotiations, they should apologize for all anti-DPRK hostile acts, big and small, and show the compatriots their will to stop all these acts in practice. -0-

One has to almost ask them, does anyone proof read before printing it?? For it is not a warning, but it is a warning that states war will start immediately,???

I will not even touch the last part but will copy it

3. If the puppet authorities truly want dialogue and negotiations, they should apologize for all anti-DPRK hostile acts, big and small, and show the compatriots their will to stop all these acts in practice. -0-

If this was not so surreal it would be funny.

reply to post by FreedomEntered
In defense it is just a thought of what is going on and to current event taking place no intention of offending any one.
now back to the topic of the Op
SK say situation could become long standoff www.koreaherald.com... from the link

Seoul says N.K. standoff could become protracted



Published : 2013-04-15 20:32
Updated : 2013-04-15 20:32
The Defense Ministry said Monday that the missile standoff with Pyongyang could be prolonged as a variety of factors would come into play before North Korean leader Kim Jong-un makes his order for another provocation.

“(The Seoul government) had said the North could fire its missiles around April 10, but five days has already passed by, and as there could be various situations (for Kim to consider), the stalemate could get prolonged,” ministry spokesperson Kim Min-seok told reporters.

Seoul said Pyongyang could launch multiple missiles such as its intermediate-range Musudan missiles and shorter-range Scud and Rodong missiles between April 10 and April 15.

Pyongyang had urged foreign missions to leave the country, saying their safety could not be guaranteed after April 10. April 15 is the Day of Sun, the 101st birthday of the North’s late national founder Kim Il-sung.

“The North has never fired any missiles on the occasion of its national founder’s birthday,” the spokesperson said, adding had Pyongyang injected fuel into a missile before April 10, it could fire it anytime depending on its “political determination.”

There were not any unusual movements of the transporter erector launchers the North has deployed to its east coast, reports said. The launchers are used to fire shorter-range missiles such as Scud and Rodong missiles that can cover South Korean and Japan, respectively.

During a parliamentary session that day, Defense Minister Kim Kwan-jin said there were no signs yet that the North would wage an all-out war, stressing that the South Korean military was on high alert for the possibility of provocations by the North.

While reiterating its regret over the North’s rejection of Seoul’s overtures for dialogue, Seoul’s Unification Ministry still left open the possibility of bilateral talks over the current stalemate and tentative suspension of the inter-Korean industrial complex in Gaeseong.

“We again express our regret over the North pouring cold water on our efforts to seek resolution through dialogue,” ministry spokesperson Kim Hyung-suk said during a regular briefing.

“Our basic position is as Minister Ryoo Kihl-jae said in a statement on April 11, we want the North to come to dialogue and talk sufficiently about what they want to suggest.”

Kim also said the North had yet to send its response to the request by the entrepreneurs, who ran their factories at the Gaeseong complex, to visit the North to deliver their positions.

Meanwhile, the atmosphere in North Korea was livened up as its three-day Day of Sun holiday began on Sunday. The North issued a commemorative stamp and held a variety of exhibitions, sports and cultural events, according to the ministry.

By Song Sang-ho ([email protected])

SO in other words... don't hold your breath if your expecting war, or actions of hostility, any time soon.

Honestly, all banter and ideas and debates aside.

I think there is one thing we can all agree on. This whole situation is just darn creepy.

Nothing actually fully adds up. It's become like a strange nightmare in which everyone keeps making mistakes like a horror movie. There's always the "It's just kim crying for attention factor" but none the less... the back of my mind wonders if the situation is just that desperate because of the sanctions they have no choice but to choose "die fighting".

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Now you know why their nickname is "Crash Hawk".....

the back of my mind wonders if the situation is just that desperate because of the sanctions they have no choice but to choose "die fighting"

Or the choice of compliance and having aid come out of your ears, and sanctions lifted....hmmm.......???

For those who think this korean crisis will be protracted, it would be a misinformed opinion.

In the past, belligerant leaders often get what they want to do, without a care to world opinion, even if they had been a member of UN.

But not anymore.

Because, today - trade sanctions will be imposed upon that irresponsible nation whom is sharing our world, to get them to rethink their position, come to their senses and work together instead.

No nation is self sufficient, and thus when our world turn our backs on them, that belligerant nation goes hungry and their dictator leaders get hanged for mismanagement.

NK is in dire need for food and electricity. Those nukes arent gonna get them fed. No other nation will trade with them, as trade sanctions are NOT acts of war, but only peaceful legal CONSUMER RIGHT & CHOICE to choose whom they will patronise with - those whom share similar ideals for the progress and evolution of mankind, or those whom are hell bent only on the extermination of mankind and those who oppose their domineering ways.

Right now, only China is supply NK's needs, even though China had agreed to the sanctions. It is up to China now, to turn off the last tap and NK will have to wake up. If not, it will only just take longer, as there is no way China can continue to feed the liable Fatboy Kim, when China has its own 1.3 billion citiizens to feed.

Today, its press had voice out accusing USA for its military excercises and presence in Asia that had caused inferority complex in Fatboy kim and thus his bloodcurling rhetorics.

This is utter BS from China, who knows the liability of NK and its nukes to the peace of prosperous Asia of which it is also a member. It is just taking a chance for an american withdrawal from Asia as negotiating tool to turn off its korean tap, so that later on it can impose its own will upon its claim of the entire sea.

May China's press wake up and stop dreaming. USA presences in Asia is welcomed by those states willingly, as USA had proven far more benevolent for decades in keeping the peace there for asian states to prosper till today.

It is rather China's insane claims over the entire sea that had riled and made asian states worries, and asking more for USA's presence now.

If China seeks for prosperity, and it knows it needs it, best it end its bullying of asia like what Imperial Japan did in 1940s, come to their senses and share the wealth there for all as there is more than enough for all. Till China earned that trust, US will remain and be welcomed in Asia.

It was a CH-53 actually it appears. It was carrying 21, with no casualties.

The CH-53 is almost worse than the Black Hawk when it comes to crashes. For every flight hour it has, it requires 44 man hours of maintenance. It's old, it's slow, and it carries a lot of people and cargo so it's useful as hell.

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Ok seeker,

Please name the countries in Asia that welcome the US there.

well here is the word from DPRK to Kerry, it is from KCNA link www.kcna.kp...

DPRK FM Spokesman Dismisses U.S. Talk about Dialogue as Rhetoric Misleading World Opinion

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Pyongyang, April 16 (KCNA) -- A spokesman for the DPRK Foreign Ministry issued the following statement on Tuesday:
Recently U.S. high-ranking officials are vying with each other to talk about dialogue. This is nothing but a crafty ploy to evade the blame for the tension on the eve of a war by pretending to refrain from military actions and stand for dialogue.
It is none other than the U.S which sparked off a vicious cycle of tension, pursuant to its hostile policy to stifle the DPRK by force of arms, and pushed the situation on the Korean Peninsula to the worst phase. The tension began escalating there due to the U.S. wanton violation of the DPRK's right to satellite launch for peaceful purposes.
There is no country in the world which does not react to the encroachment upon the legitimate right of a sovereign state to develop space and its sovereignty. The nuclear war maneuvers staged by the U.S. against the DPRK in the wake of its prodding of the UN Security Council into the cooking up of brigandish "resolutions on sanctions" one after another compelled the latter to clarify its stand to take military countermeasures for self-defence.
One may know well who is to blame for the tension when looking into who benefits from this.
The U.S. benefited from drastically increasing its military deployment pursuant to its Asia-Pacific-pivot strategy by massively introducing all latest weaponry while inciting military confrontation with the DPRK.
The U.S., which regards the DPRK as the primary target of its attack in the Asia-Pacific region, not only deployed all its operational nuclear strike means but also posed the threat of the largest-ever physical nuclear strike to the DPRK in recent months.
It openly introduced strategic nuclear subs out of its three major strategic nuclear strike means into the waters off the Korean Peninsula, and let its strategic bombers openly make sorties into the sky of the peninsula for drills of dropping nukes.
The third strategic nuclear strike means, the inter-continental ballistic missile launch, was reportedly postponed for the time being, but it is scheduled for May.
Even now the U.S. is letting its nuclear-powered carrier strike groups operate in waters off the peninsula, staging ceaseless DPRK-targeted nuclear war drills.
It is the height of rhetoric intended to mislead the world opinion to talk about dialogue for dismantling the DPRK's nuclear deterrent under this situation.
The U.S. is sadly mistaken if it calculates the DPRK will pay slightest heed to such talk about dialogue as a robber's calling for a negotiated solution while brandishing his gun.
Worse still, the U.S. claim that it will opt for dialogue when the DPRK shows its will for denuclearization first is a very impudent hostile act of disregarding the line of the Workers' Party of Korea and the law of the DPRK.
The DPRK is not opposed to dialogue but has no idea of sitting at the humiliating negotiating table with the party brandishing a nuclear stick.
Dialogue should be based on the principle of respecting sovereignty and equality--this is the DPRK's consistent stand.
Genuine dialogue is possible only at the phase where the DPRK has acquired nuclear deterrent enough to defuse the U.S. threat of nuclear war unless the U.S. rolls back its hostile policy and nuclear threat and blackmail against the former.
This time when the DPRK has been exposed to the U.S. direct and substantial threat of nuclear attack, it keenly felt the need to bolster up its nuclear deterrence both in quality and quantity.
It is quite natural for the DPRK to take counteractions for self-defence by beefing up nuclear force now that the U.S., world's biggest nuclear weapons state, threatens and blackmails the former with a nuclear stick.
The nuclear strike drills staged by the U.S. against the DPRK leave the latter with no option but to conduct drills to cope with them.
There is no guarantee that these drills will not go over to a real war and the U.S. will be held wholly accountable for all the ensuing consequences.
The DPRK will escalate its military countermeasures for self-defence unless the U.S. ceases its nuclear war drills and withdraws all its war hardware for aggression. -0-

seems that they DPRK are using up words just as they use up threats, China Japan tensions still running high, China US thread is dead it is now in the news so why bother, Is no fun when fiction becomes fact there aint no what ifs.

reply to post by FraternitasSaturni
Oh can i play this game name one nation that likes the US in ASIA it is real simple, one nation that likes and wishes for the US to stay in Asia, to keep its mil aid and influence there. while over looking the dislike and hatred for the US, but keeping the area safe by Having the US there. By telling one nation we need your help while give up an others protection and looking the other way, actual there are two but one has a bigger need use of, by the US, that will come back on the US for it has bitten of more than it can chew.
now back to topic
An other to watch for date April 25th for it is the Norths day of mil www3.nhk.or.jp... form the link

N.Korea's military warns of retaliatory action

North Korea has made new threats of military action as it expressed anger over the burning of photos of North Korean leader Kim Jong Un at a rally in South Korea.

The North's supreme military command issued what it called an "ultimatum" early Tuesday, threatening to launch retaliatory action without any notice.

A group of South Koreans staged the rally in Seoul on Monday, demanding that the North halt its provocative moves, including apparent preparations for a missile launch.

The rally came on a day of national celebration in North Korea, where people marked the 101st birthday of the country's late founder, Kim Il Sung.
The North's military statement demanded that South Korea apologize for its hostile acts and renounce all such behavior, if it truly seeks inter-Korean dialogue.

North Korea has escalated its rhetoric, partly in response to joint US-South Korean military drills. As the drills continue until the end of this month, relevant countries remain on the alert for a possible missile launch. The North's military also marks its anniversary on April 25th.

Apr. 16, 2013 - Updated 01:19 UTC

do you see it? been reading headlines to long, but that is how they get you to read it, yea like any one does.

reply to post by FraternitasSaturni


Japan
South Korea
Mongolia
Brunei
Indonesia
Philippines
Thailand
India

etc.

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Wasnt that what I just asked? Name the countries in Asia that like the US? What is this? "Lets play with words"? Come on...

I'll play "I asked first" then...

Originally posted by Gazrok
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Japan ok
South Korea Not really - only when they feel they're about to be annihilated.
Mongolia - irrelevant
Brunei - irrelevant
Indonesia - not really
Philippines - not really
Thailand - irrelevant
India - in check by pakistan - in the end, only when they feel they're about to be annihilated

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ok to answer you, i had to put into words, so all could see that there is no answer.
the latest for Yonhap news

Presidential office to hold meeting over possible N.K. provocations
SEOUL, April 16 (Yonhap) -- South Korea's presidential office plans to hold a meeting with security-related ministries and agencies next month, officials said Tuesday, as the country prepares for possible provocations by North Korea.

National security chief Kim Jang-soo will preside over the meeting, which will be attended by vice ministers and their counterparts from the Prime Minister's Office, the defense ministry, the security and public administration ministry and the National Police Agency, among others, the officials said.

The meeting is expected to focus on coordinating a response to possible North Korean provocations amid the communist country's repeated threats of war and other hostile rhetoric.

In recent years, some of the North's biggest provocations against the South have included the deadly torpedoing of a South Korean warship and the shelling of a western border island in 2010, which killed a total of 50 South Koreans.

Next month's meeting is also expected to touch on ways for the government to launch a coordinated response to forest fires in the springtime as well as industrial accidents.

The so-called "National Crisis Assessment Meeting" was launched under the previous Lee Myung-bak administration and has since been held twice a year, with additional meetings during national crises.

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the above is from english.yonhapnews.co.kr...