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Sorry Mates. Australia To Cut Out US Dollar.
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reply to post by DanaKatherineScully
USA, Land of the FEE and Home of the SLAVE
THat about covers it. I agree. My government has sucked for decades now and gets worse by every passing year. It's people that are the problem though. The government is just a tool being abused. USA is not alone in this type of behavior either. It's a tending thing it seems more and more nowadays.
USA, Land of the FEE and Home of the SLAVE
THat about covers it. I agree. My government has sucked for decades now and gets worse by every passing year. It's people that are the problem though. The government is just a tool being abused. USA is not alone in this type of behavior either. It's a tending thing it seems more and more nowadays.
reply to post by rock427
You see, its when I hear things like that, I just gotta remember all the other countries that were supposed to beat out the U.S., but never did. Seriously, the USSR, Nazi German, Imperial Japan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, the Soviet Union again, Japan again, and now China were supposed to become the new economic top dog, none of them ever did. Its good to see someone who actually does their research and doesn't just spout off a bunch of meaningless memes.
You see, its when I hear things like that, I just gotta remember all the other countries that were supposed to beat out the U.S., but never did. Seriously, the USSR, Nazi German, Imperial Japan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, the Soviet Union again, Japan again, and now China were supposed to become the new economic top dog, none of them ever did. Its good to see someone who actually does their research and doesn't just spout off a bunch of meaningless memes.
Originally posted by mbkennel
Originally posted by wemustbreakyou
China is a new hope for the world.
If you are a member of the Chinese Communist Party. Otherwise,....
How can good people continue to support our evil western governments? You bag them for your own selfish reasons. Think the IMF has done a good job? Think OECD nations and 'upward mobility' have worked? I do not.
Exactly. He writes crap like that, and then has the gall to be insulted when I cast doubt on his being an Australian. I think the OP's allegiance is to Beijing or Pyongyang, not Canberra.
Originally posted by DanaKatherineScully
The USA keeps on complaining about China & how it keeps it's currency low & the USA is doing exactly the same thing.
USA should stop poking it's nose into other peoples & countries business & telling them what they should & shouldn't be doing.
It is really one thing that gets my back up about the USA is that is is so hypocritical, it moans about Russia's human rights record when the USA's is just as bad, it proclaims itself to be the land of the free & yet it is one of the most oppressed & controlled countries, what with the government spying on all of it's citizens.edit on 31/3/13 by DanaKatherineScully because: spelling
This is nothing new with preeminent world powers. I would also argue that the US is far more benevolent as a Superpower than ones to come before it. Now that doesn't mean everything the US does is justified. I'm just merely pointing out that superpowers do not have to be benevolent. And most certainly weren't when it comes to the British Empire, Roman Empire, Soviet Empire, etc.
As for surveillance of US citizens, this is part of the cognitive dissonance I mentioned in an earlier post. After 9/11, the US took what was a powerful counter-intelligence apparatus designed to spy on hostile countries, only to turn around and use it on their citizens. This is an issue. That is why civil liberties are starting to become a political issue now. So this hopefully will change in the future. However, I wouldn't categorize the US being on the same level of corruption as Russia. I have been all around the world, one thing you learn to appreciate is the rule of law in the west, and in particular, the US. There is corruption, that goes without saying. However, it could be a lot worse.
Originally posted by daaskapital
Originally posted by caterpillage
Op reminds me of a guy that posted here a year ago, an Aussie who was very pro china, socialist, anti America. Cant remember his screen name now..
Yeah...he reminds me of a lot of Aussie posters who kicked the bucket for no apparent reason.
You do know that 'kicked the bucket' means they died ???
Originally posted by catt3
reply to post by HelenConway
Tell my grandpa that and see where that gets you.
That is what it means in the UK - there is no other meaning for it.
reply to post by HelenConway
Yup my Grandad rang me up and said "Boymonkey Iam going to kick the bucket today" and 2 hours later he did.
Yup my Grandad rang me up and said "Boymonkey Iam going to kick the bucket today" and 2 hours later he did.
Originally posted by Melbourne_Militia
Australia is not and will never be part of Asia - period!
Australia is in a gifted position to be the world leader economically.
We have a massive mining sector thats booming, unfortunately we have a pitiful leadership that has no experience in taking advantage and managing this awesome opportunity.
Manufacturing and the industrial sector has suffered enomously due to the strong Australian dollar.
A couple things Australia needs to do....
1) Devalue their dollar a little (im not an economist so do not unde3rstand how other countries do this but if they can, why cant we?)
2) Bring back tarrifs on imported goods. Why should we be the only donkeys to reduce tarrifs to zero % while others still rtin them to protect their own industries?
3) Get rid of the mining tax.
4) Get out of the singapore standard for the value of oil when we have heaps of oil and gas ourselves to use but we have to suffer by paying higher "international rtes".
5) Tear up all the stupid free trade agreements Australia has signed over the years.....these are nothing more than more nails in our manufacturing coffin.
6) Get a leader with some brains and vision. (seems to be much harder than it is lately)
You devalue your currency by creating more of it - either electronically or printing dollars. That makes exports cheaper and imports more expensive. Unfortunately, if your economy is strong, then speculators buy up your currency, increasing its value and undoing all the work just described before.
Tarriffs on imported goods run the risk of your trade partners imposing tarriffs on your exports in retaliation.
Originally posted by caladonea
reply to post by wemustbreakyou
Australia is doing what they think is best for their country and its people; this is to be expected; and what they want to do does make sense; however...I just don't like it when people gloat about it.
I actually don't see any gloating what I am seeing is a warning via facts that all is not good and it is going to be worse.......Pay attention to the world not your back yard!
The time for being offended is over, it is now time to realize that this is very real and we are all in the same boat.
You cannot print money left and right and expect things to be normal.
Regards, Iwinder
Originally posted by Starwise
Hate Americans much? Business as usual you say? You could not wait to get your 20 posts in before you wrote your first thread. What is your agenda here I wonder
You may be on to something... Looking at several posts, before this thread was opened you can see a whole lot of America bashing. Apparently, it's not just the US $ that is under the OP's skin.
Mexican immigration, local residents and government, federal government, foreign policy, United States' import/export standards, and American's domestic lifestyle - these are all things I saw in only a handful of posts appearing just before this thread was authored.... so there does appear to be a demented fixation on American citizens, and America as a Superpower, in this thread.
Originally posted by six67seven
"THIS MEANS WAR!!!"
...says the military industrial complexedit on 30-3-2013 by six67seven because: (no reason given)
Yay bonanza! ...says the shareholders.
reply to post by rock427
I have to say this and I hope this does not stir up the pot but the US is no longer the Super Power they once were, once you wrap your noggin around that fact you will realize that your situation is dire to say the least.
Everyone right now in the world is hurting big time.
Regards, Iwinder
I have to say this and I hope this does not stir up the pot but the US is no longer the Super Power they once were, once you wrap your noggin around that fact you will realize that your situation is dire to say the least.
Everyone right now in the world is hurting big time.
Regards, Iwinder
frig the USA dominance in the money realm....
currency swaps are fair game,,, even with 'Allies"... we are only Allies(with down-under) in a geo-political sense--- not in a corrupt money debasement sense !
glad to see someone other than the "BRICS" group of nations shed the Petro-Dollar as a forever-valued basis of exchange.... the mother-crappers at the Fed Reserve put the USD on a collapsing trajectory with
NO parachute especially with the Nixxon '73 release from the Gold ,,, then the TARP extortion $ and the Bernanke helicopter drop of cash to the Banking System exclusively
good for OZ !!!!!
currency swaps are fair game,,, even with 'Allies"... we are only Allies(with down-under) in a geo-political sense--- not in a corrupt money debasement sense !
glad to see someone other than the "BRICS" group of nations shed the Petro-Dollar as a forever-valued basis of exchange.... the mother-crappers at the Fed Reserve put the USD on a collapsing trajectory with
NO parachute especially with the Nixxon '73 release from the Gold ,,, then the TARP extortion $ and the Bernanke helicopter drop of cash to the Banking System exclusively
good for OZ !!!!!
edit on 31-3-2013 by St Udio because: (no reason given)
reply to post by salainen
The one common motive in all wars is resources, we have been fighting for resources since the first bacteria emerged in the sea. Basically money just measures the individual input and output with society, but things are not that simple with greed, control and complexity messing up the standard measure. With so many different views on what $1 is actually worth, it is like trying to build a house with all the workmen using different rulers, it does become quite messy with a lot of things not meeting up.
Deregulation of financial institutions is also causing a lot of problems, it is like trying to play sport where there is no rules. If you have ever tried this it quickly turns into a melee.
I find it pretty amazing that this almost imagined "economy" can cause so much trouble. Its trade of goods, how can we get it so stuffed up.
The one common motive in all wars is resources, we have been fighting for resources since the first bacteria emerged in the sea. Basically money just measures the individual input and output with society, but things are not that simple with greed, control and complexity messing up the standard measure. With so many different views on what $1 is actually worth, it is like trying to build a house with all the workmen using different rulers, it does become quite messy with a lot of things not meeting up.
Deregulation of financial institutions is also causing a lot of problems, it is like trying to play sport where there is no rules. If you have ever tried this it quickly turns into a melee.
this guy is giving us true australians a bad name, its just not what we do, jump on the band wagon of who ever is bigger or stronger.
if he was a real australian he would show a little fight and determination on keeping this alliance with our great friends the united states.
i for one do not want to be an "asian country" i think the relationship with china should stay the way it is. if anything we strengthen it with the US.
you can have this much history with the US and simpily decide " we dont like you anymore" and change sides.
if your driving through the bush and someone is bogged and you have a winch, do you leave them for dead and drive on?, no you stop and help a mate out no matter how bad it is.
if he was a real australian he would show a little fight and determination on keeping this alliance with our great friends the united states.
i for one do not want to be an "asian country" i think the relationship with china should stay the way it is. if anything we strengthen it with the US.
you can have this much history with the US and simpily decide " we dont like you anymore" and change sides.
if your driving through the bush and someone is bogged and you have a winch, do you leave them for dead and drive on?, no you stop and help a mate out no matter how bad it is.
Originally posted by wemustbreakyou
Its strictly business you must understand.
The QE that America will not end has really hurt Australian exporters. America has forced Australia to dump the USD in International Trade with China who happens to buy a third of Australian Exports. Now that Australia has shown that business is more important that 'friendship' you will see Australia make more announcement's of direct trade with other nations.
But if America was really Australia's friend would they be attacking our exporters by manipulation of their currency through 'Unlimited Quantitative Easing'? We get the message America. You do not value friendship with Australia. Thats fine. Australia is an Asian nation and we are well positioned to enter the Asian Century.
To my Aussie Friend, totally understandable and as an American Capitalist, I share your concerns here. A book has come out recently which elucidates exactly why our economic strength is declining (synopsis from Barnes & Noble online quoted here www.barnesandnoble.com... ):
Overview The Great Deformation is a searing look at Washington’s craven response to the recent myriad of financial crises and fiscal cliffs. It counters conventional wisdom with an eighty-year revisionist history of how the American state—especially the Federal Reserve—has fallen prey to the politics of crony capitalism and the ideologies of fiscal stimulus, monetary central planning, and financial bailouts. These forces have left the public sector teetering on the edge of political dysfunction and fiscal collapse and have caused America’s private enterprise foundation to morph into a speculative casino that swindles the masses and enriches the few.
But, remember that the majority of your trade with China is in the form of mineral exports. Your bauxite, your titanium, your magnetite, your tantalum/niobium conglomerates, your tungsten, your chromium, etc......In many of these categories, China is already underway at obtaining worldwide rights to obtain these material resources from Africa, which has an even greater and higher quality reserve of the primary refractory, rare earth and industrial transition II metals. They will obtain them at a much lower and direct access cost - and not through trade with Australia. The European powers are handing these colonial rights to China, in an effort to save themselves from fiscal collapse.
Once they have a lock on these metal resources, through the ownership of new Chinese Colonies, they will drop Australia like a hot potato.
Be very very careful. But the drop of a QE dollar is an action which we should have seen coming when we began to source our manufacturing all from China. Let's keep blood thicker than water. The play is much larger than trade or mineral resources.
Originally posted by typhoon310
this guy is giving us true australians a bad name, its just not what we do, jump on the band wagon of who ever is bigger or stronger.
if he was a real australian he would show a little fight and determination on keeping this alliance with our great friends the united states.
Don`t get mixed up between American people and American Government.
If you can remember not long before 9-11 Johnny Howard flew to America to get a fair trade agreement with America because they were screwing us,they snubbed him they wouldn`t even see him,he came back to Australia embarrassed (could you imagine if that happened to an American President that came here for a visit?) then he went back a second time to fight for us again,he was in New York at the time the planes hit and gave Australias full support.
Then we find out how bogus all this crap is.
You tell me who is a friend to whom?
Oh by the way we got a fairer deal in the trade agreement,one of the terms was that Australia had to televise more American programs. (monkey see monkey do)
i for one do not want to be an "asian country" i think the relationship with china should stay the way it is. if anything we strengthen it with the US.
you can have this much history with the US and simpily decide " we dont like you anymore" and change sides.
The way I see it Australians are losing their identity of what this country once was at an alarming rate,though this is mainly a business decision regarding the topic.
So it shouldn`t imo be an argument about "we dont like you anymore" the people I call real Americans are those that see what their Government really is and is doing to themselves and to other countries and don`t take it as an offense when other people from other countries see it and voice those opinions.
Blind allegiance and patriotism gets us all into this mess.
“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.”
― Thomas Paine
“A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.”
― Edward Abbey
“The greatest patriotism is to tell your country when it is behaving dishonorably, foolishly, viciously.”
― Julian Barnes, Flaubert's Parrot
“Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.”
― Samuel Johnson
“You'll never have a quiet world till you knock the patriotism out of the human race.”
― George Bernard Shaw, Heartbreak House
and the lists go on....
www.goodreads.com...
What ever country we are from,we`re all not privy to whats in store and what is being planned behind the scenes and has been for ages www.theforbiddenknowledge.com... but you can get a sniff of it from a mile away.
if your driving through the bush and someone is bogged and you have a winch, do you leave them for dead and drive on?, no you stop and help a mate out no matter how bad it is.
In an ideal world,yes thats great,but there are hoards of Aussies that couldn`t give a damn about Aussies either.
Oh and welcome to ATS
reply to post by typhoon310
I assure we feel the same way about Australia I do remember the film Odd Angry Shot about SAS in Viet Nam.
We both have a nasty "progressive" infestation that seems to hate history and facts,I affectionately refer to them as Progs,they act the same like the product of some PC group think regurgitated by aging hippies. If not them then there are a great many who have disconnected digitally and receive media as their reality.
I assure we feel the same way about Australia I do remember the film Odd Angry Shot about SAS in Viet Nam.
We both have a nasty "progressive" infestation that seems to hate history and facts,I affectionately refer to them as Progs,they act the same like the product of some PC group think regurgitated by aging hippies. If not them then there are a great many who have disconnected digitally and receive media as their reality.