Should Liberals Be Allowed To Emigrate To Conservative States?

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posted on Mar, 30 2013 @ 08:54 PM
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Sure it was the liberals.

It was our elected officials both Democrat and Republican that let the wars happen, it was both that let the phenomenon 'too big to fail/too big to jail'. Both that let the economy tank.


They’re ALL LIBERALS!!!!!

Are you going to explain how McCain and Romney are CONSERVATIVE??? If you are, I must ask where you were during the elections when conservatives didn’t show up. WE COULD HAVE USED YOU!!




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posted on Mar, 30 2013 @ 08:59 PM
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Originally posted by seabag


They’re ALL


IDIOTS!!!!!

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posted on Mar, 30 2013 @ 09:00 PM
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That's easy. Google "Reaganomics", "Trickle down economics", or "Supply side economics" and then look around at what deregulation has wrought. A small fraction of 1% becoming obscenely wealthy while the rest of us work like slaves for crumbs from the table.


So please explain why we supposedly had no debt under Clinton, because Regonomics is still in play today.

It’s so stupid to blame capitalism for our problems while you ignore and fail to blame the trillions of new spending and growth of government under the current POTUS for our current condition.



posted on Mar, 30 2013 @ 09:02 PM
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Originally posted by Hefficide
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That's easy. Google "Reaganomics", "Trickle down economics", or "Supply side economics" and then look around at what deregulation has wrought. A small fraction of 1% becoming obscenely wealthy while the rest of us work like slaves for crumbs from the table.


Has trickle up "economics" (rob from the rich and give to the poor) worked?

Trickle down is working just fine in China where American business goes because of regulation.

Even after 70 years of robbing that "insanely" wealthy are people better off for it?

Nope keeps them in perpetual slavery all for a vote, and a lie.



posted on Mar, 30 2013 @ 09:13 PM
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You're so deluded. The rich have been robbing from the middle class, as well as being dependent on the existence of a lower class. Less money at the bottom and middle means more at the top. And jobs exported to China was only ever about one thing... cheap slave labor.
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posted on Mar, 30 2013 @ 09:17 PM
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Funny that businesses and conservatives sing the praises of China:


Source

Nearly 65% business tax??? How is that saving anyone any money??? Oh wait... never mind. In China they have a massive labor pool willing to work for pennies, no environmental laws, and no workplace safety laws.

Obviously a paradise.



posted on Mar, 30 2013 @ 09:18 PM
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You're so deluded.


Nope, but nice personal attack




The rich have been robbing from the middle class,


From what I have seen they are paying for all their entitlements since the shortfall has to be made up from somewhere.




Less money at the bottom and middle means more at the top.


Wait for it:


The American republic has endured for well over two centuries, but over the past 50 years, the apparatus of American governance has undergone a radical transformation. In some basic respects—its scale, its preoccupations, even many of its purposes—the U.S. government today would be scarcely recognizable to Franklin D. Roosevelt, much less to Abraham Lincoln or Thomas Jefferson.


There's more:


The growth of entitlement payments over the past half-century has been breathtaking. In 1960, U.S. government transfers to individuals totaled about $24 billion in current dollars, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis. By 2010 that total was almost 100 times as large. Even after adjusting for inflation and population growth, entitlement transfers to individuals have grown 727% over the past half-century, rising at an average rate of about 4% a year.


What's that?


In 2010 alone, government at all levels oversaw a transfer of over $2.2 trillion in money, goods and services. The burden of these entitlements came to slightly more than $7,200 for every person in America. Scaled against a notional family of four, the average entitlements burden for that year alone approached $29,000.


online.wsj.com...

Oh dear



posted on Mar, 30 2013 @ 09:18 PM
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this thread may be the best example on the internet of the dangers of the 2 party system

some posters here would gladly testify against the other party to have them "eliminated"

based on labels

chilling
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posted on Mar, 30 2013 @ 09:20 PM
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Funny that businesses and conservatives sing the praises of China:


Really? threads like this wouldn't be created if they did China communist/liberals.




Nearly 65% business tax??? How is that saving anyone any money??? Oh wait... never mind. In China they have a massive labor pool willing to work for pennies, no environmental laws, and no workplace safety laws.


Least they have a job instead of pricing themselves out of existence.
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posted on Mar, 30 2013 @ 09:21 PM
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The rich have been robbing from the middle class, as well as being dependent on the existence of a lower class. Less money at the bottom and middle means more at the top.


Well finish the scenario…..

How do the rich (TPTB) maintain the cycle?

I’ll give you a hint……they manipulate minds and make everyone believe they are OWED something for being American. It’s worked quite well throughout our history. The problem is that….



And parasites are EXACTLY what liberal policy grows!



posted on Mar, 30 2013 @ 09:22 PM
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Clinton had a surplus because tricky book keeping kept the nation from freaking out about who he was consorting with sexually.

Oh and I don't blame capitalism at all. We currently do not have a sustainable application of capitalism. Bluntly put, if you do not pay your workers, they don't have money to feed back into the system. It's pretty simple.

Funfact:

The term capitalism, in its modern sense, comes from the writings of Karl Marx.

Source



posted on Mar, 30 2013 @ 09:26 PM
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The only thing that separates the two party's in any significant way anymore are social aspects. Republicans spend just as much as Democrats overall and both party's have sold out to corporations. So really all this boils down the OP boils down to is crying because he doesn't like the social aspects of liberals and he can't rationally separate that from economics.



posted on Mar, 30 2013 @ 09:27 PM
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Funny... if you take "Christian" out of the mix and substitute another word, like "gay" or "Muslim" I honestly feel that you'd suddenly have a reversal of opinion a





That does work both ways, gun owners,rich folks,.banks,corporations,lobbyists etc.


Called that as the recent exchange is ample evidence.
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posted on Mar, 30 2013 @ 09:31 PM
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Clinton had a surplus because tricky book keeping kept the nation from freaking out about who he was consorting with sexually.


OK…at least you’re honest about that.





Oh and I don't blame capitalism at all.


Trickle down is capitalism. Government’s role isn’t to set wage or pick favorites. ALL BUSINESSES should be FAVORITES! Government’s roll is to get the hell out of the way. When government TAXES THE HELL out of businesses (higher than every other western nation) then government is interfering.




We currently do not have a sustainable application of capitalism. Bluntly put, if you do not pay your workers, they don't have money to feed back into the system. It's pretty simple.


I thought liberal minimum (sustainable) wage took care of that????


What should every worker in America make in order to achieve your desired level of utopia? And how does that affect my business? I think Obamacare is showing us exactly how it affects businesses.



posted on Mar, 30 2013 @ 09:37 PM
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Clinton had a surplus because tricky book keeping kept the nation from freaking out about who he was consorting with sexually.


Clinton had a surplus?

Do tell how does one get a "surplus" by robbing SS, and leaving it with a bunch of IOU's?



posted on Mar, 30 2013 @ 09:38 PM
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Employers, IMO, can pay whatever they want. The problem is if they are left to their own devices history ( even current history in outsourcing nations ) shows that their greed will overpower their common sense - they become obsessed with profit margins to the extent that they forget that they need customers with money to achieve that profit margin.

Consumer research polls constantly try to figure out what the most we would pay for something is. Which is awesome. But when every single product on the shelf and in the store is charging the absolute most that people will pay - all while also paying the minimum that they can possibly pay to get employees?

Well that is obviously contrary. The more they pay, the more that is spent. The higher that they can raise prices. There needs to be a balance and equilibrium to it that deregulation gutted. The wheels are off at this point and businesses are screaming, wondering why their car isn't moving.



posted on Mar, 30 2013 @ 09:39 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
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Clinton had a surplus because tricky book keeping kept the nation from freaking out about who he was consorting with sexually.


Clinton had a surplus?

Do tell how does one get a "surplus" by robbing SS, and leaving it with a bunch of IOU's?


You did see the "tricky book keeping" part. Right? Take the high road man.



posted on Mar, 30 2013 @ 09:41 PM
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You did see the "tricky book keeping" part. Right? Take the high road man.


Sure did right here:

finance.townhall.com...



posted on Mar, 30 2013 @ 09:47 PM
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Employers, IMO, can pay whatever they want. The problem is if they are left to their own devices history ( even current history in outsourcing nations ) shows that their greed will overpower their common sense - they become obsessed with profit margins to the extent that they forget that they need customers with money to achieve that profit margin.


How do you get ‘customer with money’ if you don’t regulate wages?

Double speak?



Consumer research polls constantly try to figure out what the most we would pay for something is. Which is awesome. But when every single product on the shelf and in the store is charging the absolute most that people will pay - all while also paying the minimum that they can possibly pay to get employees?


Free market!

Let the market determine wage and pay.

If you offered me a gallon of milk for $10 or tried to pay me $3 per hour for my labor I would promptly tell you where to go.

If the government didn’t tax us every time we breathe maybe more of us would chose to live ‘off the grid’ and be a little more self-reliant. Living “off the grid” these days is an urban myth because you can’t even own land without paying some ass-in-a-suit taxes.



posted on Mar, 30 2013 @ 09:47 PM
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Um, normally we just call him "doctor" and not God. Liberals are so warped.

Unless abortions are now caused by hitting pregnant women in the stomach with a crucifix.


 
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