Thanks for all the interesting replies over the last few days.
I hadn't noticed until today having left this thread alone, after thinking the well written comment by Grimpachi
) agreed in the main with my own position.
I see there are a few comments which continue to claim that lack of faith in a god, due to lack of supporting evidence, is a position of faith akin to
belief in gods. I have not read any which I could consider convincing arguments, or a position I can agree with.
Another position I see put forward is belief in gods due to some alleged logical reasoning. This appears to me to be nothing more than the old "We
can't explain it so a god must have done it" argument, with it's obvious fallacy.
Both style of comment have been discussed and countered quite well as far as I have read, so I shall not add anything further because I would
effectively be repeating what I have posted in previous pages.
These did interest me though:
Originally posted by UncleBingo
I am simply not a worshiper, nor a disbeliever. I am simply above that concept in belief as you would put it. Above many other silly things humans do
as well like superficial social pleasantries for instance. I have no need or emotional tie to most of humanity as I find it rather primitive in
thought and execution.
To me, atheists are just as bad as Christians...whining about belief and disbelief at levels only a child would endure, just because one side thinks
they are right in their assertions over the other. Each shouting louder than the other so that they get the last word.
Petty at best. Such a waste of energy to dwell on exacts within the human perception which is a very flawed concept by the way.
I have not read any whining from atheists in this thread at the levels of a child as you put it. Perhaps you would like to provide a link to
the offending replies.
This, to me has been a very interesting read so far and as it is a discussion forum one would expect differing positions, otherwise there would be no
It is amusing that you declare yourself 'above that concept of belief' compared to atheists, theists, and silly superficial humans, as that could
arguably be an example of you asserting that your own position is 'right' over others.
reply to post by Cogito, Ergo Sum
Originally posted by
Cogito, Ergo Sum
reply to post by grainofsand
The inference that dismissing it is based on faith might make believers feel better about it all, but this seems either knowingly dishonest, or a
delusion in itself. Could it be part of a coping mechanism re the cognitive dissonance
I have certainly wondered the same thing myself.
It seems unusual that there is such an attempt to claim a lack of belief as faith by those who do believe in gods. Could it be driven by a fear or
jealousy of the often found 'no spiritual conflict' position by one who has no faith in gods.
I, and other atheists, have been accused of presenting a position of 'superiority' over those who believe in things with no evidence, although
nowhere in this thread have I claimed that. Is this just an inferiority complex of theists who struggle with beliefs which are absolutely unable to be
I was criticised for using the term 'desperately' in the title, but many replies here support my opinion that there is a desperate effort by some to
claim lack of belief in gods as a faith in itself.
I continue to await a convincing reasoned argument to draw me towards thinking otherwise.
Again, thanks for the replies folks, it remains an interesting discussion while unhelpful emotions continue to be left out of our contributions.