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Originally posted by AllGloryIsGods
Jesus is not God, he is the son of God. He sits at the right hand of God. The Bible separates them by name. He is separated in the new testament countless times just by the way the apostles speak. I believe people were lead astray somewhere on this. I find myself in church and hear others believe this but do you not read and study your own Bible? Do you research where each book comes from and its original context?
I am a servant of God. God is my one true and only father in Heaven. Jesus was sent by God to open the door to all. Jesus advocates on our behalf with God our father. God does not talk to himself with multiple personalities. I do not understand why people get so confused about this. I simply need to read my Bible to see they are separate. Read the words of the apostles, you will see.
Ephesians 5:5
For this ye know, that no whoremonger, neither unclean person, nor covetous person, which is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ, and of God.
It does not say the kingdom of Christ. It does not say the kingdom of Christ our God. It clearly states the kingdom of Christ, and of God. Comma and of. They are separated by name and shown to be separate entities in this scripture alone as well as in many other scriptures. Am I the only one who sees this?
When the New Testament says, "God", it does mean a person, and the first person of the godhead in particular, who you mentioned, The Father.
God is not a "person" God is God, God consists of three "persons" God the Father, God the Son, & God the Holy Spirit. Simply put (if that is possible) There is 1 "What" and 3 "Whos", or better phrased- the Trinity. This is a main teaching in all true Christian religions.
Jesus, as you point out, is not the same person as God. Paul, in Philippians 2 says that he was in the form of god. So to me, that means that he was generically, god, before he became a man, by way of being born on Earth by a woman, having "emptied" himself and acting according to his new status, which was lower, Paul using the term, servant.
Jesus advocates on our behalf with God our father. God does not talk to himself with multiple personalities. I do not understand why people get so confused about this. I simply need to read my Bible to see they are separate. Read the words of the apostles, you will see.
It does not say the kingdom of Christ. It does not say the kingdom of Christ our God. It clearly states the kingdom of Christ, and of God. Comma and of. They are separated by name and shown to be separate entities in this scripture alone as well as in many other scriptures. Am I the only one who sees this?
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by AllGloryIsGods
Jesus, as you point out, is not the same person as God. Paul, in Philippians 2 says that he was in the form of god. So to me, that means that he was generically, god, before he became a man, by way of being born on Earth by a woman, having "emptied" himself and acting according to his new status, which was lower, Paul using the term, servant.
Jesus advocates on our behalf with God our father. God does not talk to himself with multiple personalities. I do not understand why people get so confused about this. I simply need to read my Bible to see they are separate. Read the words of the apostles, you will see.
It does not say the kingdom of Christ. It does not say the kingdom of Christ our God. It clearly states the kingdom of Christ, and of God. Comma and of. They are separated by name and shown to be separate entities in this scripture alone as well as in many other scriptures. Am I the only one who sees this?
The Book of Hebrews in the New Testament goes on to acknowledge that high status before the incarnation, then proceeds to reiterate the reality of his being a man like us. Then later in the letter it equates the new reinstated status of Jesus with The Lord, meaning the Lord, as the Greek version title used in the Septuagint to describe the Hebrew God.
Revelation goes through the same thing in a different way by having a visionary manifestation of the risen Christ say it in his own words, that all the power of God is given to him.
What this ends up supporting, and also backed up by Colossians, the idea of a godhead where the power and authority is assigned to a particular person to fulfill a particular mission, in Jesus' case, to be Lord over all who dwell upon the earth who believe in him and are to be adopted as sons of God.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by CrypticSouthpaw
What's the point of eternal life? That's the promise, right? We'll live forever in the glory of "God"? What's the point?
Originally posted by CrypticSouthpaw
But i am here to shed light on all those misconceptions. The bible is actualy quite truthful it just takes the proper perspecive and grammer to see what is trying to be said. When there is a comma it implies another idea or a seperating of the 2 to have 2 seperate identites, this is done in the bible many times.
Originally posted by Xenoglossy
Originally posted by CrypticSouthpaw
But i am here to shed light on all those misconceptions. The bible is actualy quite truthful it just takes the proper perspecive and grammer to see what is trying to be said. When there is a comma it implies another idea or a seperating of the 2 to have 2 seperate identites, this is done in the bible many times.
Biblical Hebrew doesn't have punctuation.
So much for your knowledge.
The Geneva and the King James were both translated from the same version of Greek text, so I doubt there is that much difference between them.
. . . I still look back at the Geneva Bible to clarify most things. If this was done this thread would not have even been needed.
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by AllGloryIsGods
Jesus, as you point out, is not the same person as God. Paul, in Philippians 2 says that he was in the form of god. So to me, that means that he was generically, god, before he became a man, by way of being born on Earth by a woman, having "emptied" himself and acting according to his new status, which was lower, Paul using the term, servant.
Jesus advocates on our behalf with God our father. God does not talk to himself with multiple personalities. I do not understand why people get so confused about this. I simply need to read my Bible to see they are separate. Read the words of the apostles, you will see.
It does not say the kingdom of Christ. It does not say the kingdom of Christ our God. It clearly states the kingdom of Christ, and of God. Comma and of. They are separated by name and shown to be separate entities in this scripture alone as well as in many other scriptures. Am I the only one who sees this?
The Book of Hebrews in the New Testament goes on to acknowledge that high status before the incarnation, then proceeds to reiterate the reality of his being a man like us. Then later in the letter it equates the new reinstated status of Jesus with The Lord, meaning the Lord, as the Greek version title used in the Septuagint to describe the Hebrew God.
Revelation goes through the same thing in a different way by having a visionary manifestation of the risen Christ say it in his own words, that all the power of God is given to him.
What this ends up supporting, and also backed up by Colossians, the idea of a godhead where the power and authority is assigned to a particular person to fulfill a particular mission, in Jesus' case, to be Lord over all who dwell upon the earth who believe in him and are to be adopted as sons of God.
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by mlcaponi
John 4:24
God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”
Originally posted by mlcaponi
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by mlcaponi
John 4:24
God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”
I definitely agree with this statement- There is a website I find that explains the trinity as best as it could be explained:
Below is a little quote from it.
The Trinity consists of three Persons (Genesis 1:1, 26; 3:22; 11:7; Isaiah 6:8, 48:16, 61:1; Matthew 3:16-17, 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14). In Genesis 1:1, the Hebrew plural noun "Elohim" is used. In Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7 and Isaiah 6:8, the plural pronoun for “us” is used. The word "Elohim" and the pronoun “us” are plural forms, definitely referring in the Hebrew language to more than two. While this is not an explicit argument for the Trinity, it does denote the aspect of plurality in God. The Hebrew word for "God," "Elohim," definitely allows for the Trinity
Read more: www.gotquestions.org...
Originally posted by Akragon
Originally posted by mlcaponi
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by mlcaponi
John 4:24
God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”
I definitely agree with this statement- There is a website I find that explains the trinity as best as it could be explained:
Below is a little quote from it.
The Trinity consists of three Persons (Genesis 1:1, 26; 3:22; 11:7; Isaiah 6:8, 48:16, 61:1; Matthew 3:16-17, 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14). In Genesis 1:1, the Hebrew plural noun "Elohim" is used. In Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7 and Isaiah 6:8, the plural pronoun for “us” is used. The word "Elohim" and the pronoun “us” are plural forms, definitely referring in the Hebrew language to more than two. While this is not an explicit argument for the Trinity, it does denote the aspect of plurality in God. The Hebrew word for "God," "Elohim," definitely allows for the Trinity
Read more: www.gotquestions.org...
Actually I don't agree with the trinity...
Jesus said the God is one, not three in one... The trinity was a concept that was added 200+ years after his life
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by mlcaponi
When Jesus said before Abraham was I am... he was speaking of the essence of God within him...
And the original "entity" that used the term I AM, was an "angel of God"... Which was turned into "God" a few verses later...
There is nothing from Jesus that says I am God, or I am equal to God...
And even in other books of the NT there is only one verse that can explain the trinity, and it was added after the fact...