First of all, your repeated slurs about "people like me" is childish and rude. You know nothing about me, and trying to distract from your argument
with personal slurs is pretty pitiful.
I do not feel I have any firm position on ideals, I only register what I observe, and these are some things I have observed. My focus is usually on
"what is", not "what should be".
Now, your doom predictions for the future do not distract from the correct assertion I made-
There are many nations, at this moment, in which capitalism and socialism are both present and cooperating. This invalidates your assertion that
this is impossible.
You have further confirmed that you are actually refering, in this thread, to "pure Socialism". Just about no systems exist that are "pure" anything-
ideals are fairly unrealistic.
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
France is turning more and more socialist, but it is not a complete socialist system yet.
The socialists have been in power before and France has already experienced more socialism and has been developing the other direction. But even then,
they never go too far either way, their culture being one of moderation in most things.
The discussion in that meeting (yes I know what UNESCO is, LOL! I even know many people that work for UNESCO ) was about the pros and cons of trying
to gain a global agreement to implement democracy in all nations- the criticisms and arguments against were brought forward well, and no push for such
a thing was made- it was a discussion, an analyzation, of an idea, that is all.
These governments would not accept a "social-democratic pattern of globalization" unless their hands are FORCED by a popular movement (Occupy and
Anthropogenic Global Warming movements), another Great Depression (the current GLOBAL economic crisis), or an ecological disaster (Global Warming
being blamed on humans)
There is no Occupy movment in France, and the french do not believe that Global Warming is caused by humans entirely- as with most things everyone
assumes there is natural cycles of the earth and environment, which are also slightly influenced by humans.. again, they always gravitate towrds
moderation. There is no controversy on that subject here.
They also have dealt with very hard times in recent memory (WW2) and frankly, they seem to be taking it in stride. The elders are teaching the young
folk how to survive and we're hunkering down- there is not panic here. They are used to having their government be unable to protect them and don't
I have serious doubts about your predictions.
Though who knows! Perhaps Nibiru exists too!
Millions of people like me were born and experienced the truth of socialism and communism, and people like you have ignored our warnings because you
have been brainwashed into thinking "socialism is great and we need it"...
I have, up to this point, attempted to be an adult and ignore the childish insults.
I will enlighten you here- I have never said or thought "Socialism is great and we need it". No one could have been more surprised than me to observe
that in some places, some socialism is working hand in hand with capitalism, and in en effective way.
I do not know what anyone else needs, and I don't feel like making any judgements of that type.
But the reality in front of my eyes, I choose not to deny, just to please other peoples agendas and idealistic notions.
edit on 1-4-2013 by Bluesma because: (no reason given)