Immigration in the UK - The Reality?

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posted on Mar, 31 2013 @ 06:35 AM
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This thread is stupid, essentially it is equating every immigrant to a rapist. As an immigrant I can dispel that notion. Rape is conducted by all colors and creeds.


All right, I think its time to put an end to this strawman. Nobody in their right mind is suggesting that every immigrant is a criminal or that natives do not commit crime. But immigrants (or some of their subgroups) may be more likely to bring crime and other issues with them, as a consequence of their culture/class. I think it is important to discuss this, and I dont think it is stupid or makes someone a racist or who knows what else.




posted on Mar, 31 2013 @ 06:35 AM
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double post
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posted on Mar, 31 2013 @ 10:36 AM
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Originally posted by GeeBee
It's really very simple. Great Britain is the westernmost part of Europe, yet the immigrants travel through many countries to get here. Why? Because we have a free healthcare to all and welfare system that is massively generous and geared to prioritise those who have immigrated. What other countries would give you a free home, enough money to live on and free healthcare the moment you landed on their shores? Name one!

This availability of free welfare attracts the worst in society, many of whom have been excluded from their own societies.

Unfortunately this country's authorities are terrified of being accused of being discriminatory and so tend to discriminate positively towards ethnic minorities.
Australia gives all the above items the minute you land on her shores and they now insist that you can have it all freely for 5 years without having to ever work .



posted on Mar, 31 2013 @ 10:46 AM
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Originally posted by andy06shake
Buddy you come to Sunny Govanhill, Glasgow and I guarantee any violent crime that is committed against your person will be by a large group of refugees! Why i'm I so sure of this, because after 6pm(When it gets dark) they are the only people out on the streets! That's how bad its getting! I crap you not!


Over the last 10 years I've lived in Mount Florida, Shawlands, Rutherglen and Maryhill. I worked in the Gorbals for a good while, walking home down Cathcart Rd to Mount Florida. You're more likely to be assaulted by white native neds than anyone else, in my experience.


Originally posted by andy06shake
That's nothing pal, local postman walked into a close in Alison St, Govanhill, Glasgow about 2 years ago and seen a little girl of african descent about 7-9 years old standing on a car battery being taken from behind by a 30-40 year old Man also of african descent with another two watching. Time he delivered his mail and came back down the stair the Man had done the off and the little girl was dragged into a black BMW by two other Somalians. And that is just one of many things these people get up to in my area where my kids grow up!


Nice of the postie to just ignore it. But then, it's just an anecdote with no grounding in truth, most likely. If there are groups of them outside your house now doing whatever you claim them to be doing, why not take photos of it as documentation for the police? You could then even upload a photo or 2 here, and prove what you're saying...

I do believe immigration is a problem. There's far too much of it, and the UK can't support it all. This is largely due to corruption, irresponsible bankers and tax dodging corporations, but even if the economy wasn't screwed, there'd still be too much of it.

I don't agree that minorities commit more crime in this area than others. You can cherry pick individual news items all you like, without actual sourced statistics to back it up, I'm calling xenophobia.



posted on Mar, 31 2013 @ 12:38 PM
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I allways wondered why the postman did not intervene, I don't have a clue as to what the social protocols are when you come across a situation like that. I hope said situation never presents itself to me.

I think the links i provided say it all far better than any pictures or video i may upload. If however you are in doubt as to the real situation going on in the area of Govanhill I can only suggest you take a walk or drive down Alison street anytime will do, day or night! Then you can upload your own pics of the social deprivation you will most assuredly encounter. I sincerely hope that's all you encounter.

P.S Be safe these people don't like outsiders filming them, you may well lose your phone, maybe more!
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posted on Mar, 31 2013 @ 02:14 PM
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I've spent plenty of time in that area. I used to walk through there every night at ~11pm. Never felt particularly threatened.



posted on Mar, 31 2013 @ 05:47 PM
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From Yugoslavia (due to conflict) to Germany, then from Germany to Australia.

As for the poster complaining about Bulgarians, Somalians, Slovakian and Romanians. I've had contact with all of these described nationalities. They are all nice people, and I have not heard of them out in the streets terrorizing neighborhoods. That is a problem not related to immigration, but rather socio-economic conditions in the UK.

All I see is like minded bigots in this thread demonizing immigrants when non-immigrant British youth do the same BS. How about the neo-Nazis? The football hooligans in the 80s and 90s, the white street gangs? When someone of a different complexion or race does it, that is when it becomes a problem for you idiots.



posted on Mar, 31 2013 @ 06:46 PM
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Simply put, the UK is too small for added extras.

Yet the benefit of having biodiversity is brilliant, each race/culture has its own remedies to life’s problems and I find that the remedies for my problems can be found from the vigor of another race other than mine.

Well I suppose it helps to ease into open mindedness first lol,because I do like to project my sometimes negative body into other ideologies. It keeps me fresh.
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posted on Mar, 31 2013 @ 07:50 PM
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The reality of the situation is that there is a problem with mass-immigration of unskilled, anti-social and criminally-inclined individuals into countries that comprise mainly skilled, social and law-abiding citizens. Sure, it's not all immigrants, but it's a large enough percentage to make life unpleasant for the rest of the population already living there - including immigrants that have assimilated to the local culture.



posted on Apr, 1 2013 @ 12:34 AM
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Originally posted by SpeachM1litant
reply to post by Anusuia
 


From Yugoslavia (due to conflict) to Germany, then from Germany to Australia.

As for the poster complaining about Bulgarians, Somalians, Slovakian and Romanians. I've had contact with all of these described nationalities. They are all nice people, and I have not heard of them out in the streets terrorizing neighborhoods. That is a problem not related to immigration, but rather socio-economic conditions in the UK.

All I see is like minded bigots in this thread demonizing immigrants when non-immigrant British youth do the same BS. How about the neo-Nazis? The football hooligans in the 80s and 90s, the white street gangs? When someone of a different complexion or race does it, that is when it becomes a problem for you idiots.
Hmmm...let me think about this .

So you only see like minded bigots here . You know what they say about others being a reflection of ourselves or a mirror .
Im thinking you may actually be like this a bigot , a name caller . someone who take pleasure in deriding others . Is that a bigot ?
Are you a grumpy old man . Yes you got it , I have a problem with grumpy old people . At least I declare my likes and dislike . I dont name call , but I do suggest an affliction from mere words being typed . A suggestion , not a name calling . But alas ...Im suggesting a name calling in GRUMPY OLD MAN



posted on Apr, 1 2013 @ 09:10 AM
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Without wishing to look like I'm rubbing this in, here's the most shared story from the same local newspaper:

www.keighleynews.co.uk...

KFC are selling halal chicken to keep the minority of immigrants happy at the expense of the majority of Christian locals.

Can you complainers really not see that this is wrong to pander to small groups of people just so they don't complain, then to label the indigenous population as xenophobic racists when they do complain.



posted on Apr, 1 2013 @ 09:16 AM
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The local Subway on Victoria Rd don't even put bacon on there BLTs anymore!

Political correctness and religious intolerance gone man IMHO.

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posted on Apr, 1 2013 @ 10:27 AM
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My parents are of Pakistani origin, but I am British-born and never been to Pakistan. I'm going to be frank and direct on this issue. I am of the opinion that Pakistani's should be banned from entering this country, with the existing population given incentives to go back. They are the most corrupt, greedy, manipulative bunch of "people" I've ever seen. I grew up in a half-Asian/half-English community in Walthamstow, London.

- If you think Jews are thirsty for money, you don't know Pakistani's. Extremely corrupt and will make money from anything and everything. Pakistani solicitors would break any and every law for a fee. Want anything shady done, ask them. Pakistani doctors seem okay though.

- Controlling sexual desires is an alien concept to them. They will # anything that moves. A high number of Pakistani men have Paedophilic tendencies for some strange reason.

- A lot of Pakistani's are very manipulative. Home or work, they say or do anything to get their way while causing problems for everyone else.

- At my age (Early 30's), I refuse to talk or mix with them. I keep my distance from relatives too. Can't stand their mentality. Actually, I have never done so. My friends have always been English or Japanese.

- They're some of the dumbest people I've ever seen. Say lots of dumb things and completely miss the point. This wouldn't be a problem if they didn't insist that they're always right ffs.

- No manners. Saying "Please" and "Thank you" is non-existent.

- Have so much pride for a nation that is one of the most corrupt on Earth.

- My parents talk about "arranged marriages" as is common in Pakistani culture. I say "Not in this lifetime". And I wouldn't want my kids growing up with that mentality.

The borders should be closed to Pakistani's, and if you get married there, he/she cannot be brought here. This should also apply to various other countries too, but unless something is done soon, this country is screwed. I'm giving you a first-hand perspective from inside this community. I don't want people to start thinking that all people of Pakistani origin are bad now because there are a few good ones out there who put Britain ahead of a PoS country like Pakistan. Just please remember that.

I believe we need to create a real border system that only let's in the best, brightest and/or trustworthy people in. I want Britain to be great again as it used to be when I was growing up.

Hopefully UKIP wins the next General Election.
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posted on Apr, 1 2013 @ 11:07 AM
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Originally posted by SpeachM1litant
reply to post by Anusuia
 


From Yugoslavia (due to conflict) to Germany, then from Germany to Australia.

As for the poster complaining about Bulgarians, Somalians, Slovakian and Romanians. I've had contact with all of these described nationalities. They are all nice people, and I have not heard of them out in the streets terrorizing neighborhoods. That is a problem not related to immigration, but rather socio-economic conditions in the UK.

All I see is like minded bigots in this thread demonizing immigrants when non-immigrant British youth do the same BS. How about the neo-Nazis? The football hooligans in the 80s and 90s, the white street gangs? When someone of a different complexion or race does it, that is when it becomes a problem for you idiots.



We are not in the 80s anymore in case you did not notice

My grandad and many others did not lay their life down for this #.
Your missing the point altogether.

The only people to blame, is this corrupt guv.
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posted on Apr, 2 2013 @ 12:53 PM
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Originally posted by andy06shake
See this is the thing that I really don't understand. These people come over here and claim political asylum. There story goes something like this "I cant live in my own country anymore because the oppressive government are going to torcher or kill me".

No one thinks to ask why there are going to be torched and killed or what they have done to deserve such an act being perpetrated against them. 10-1 rather a large percentage of the political refugees granted asylum in the UK have done something so heinous in there own nations that they are forced to flee their respective countries! And its assured that its more than voting for the wrong side!

And before I start to be tagged as a racist, try living next to them! The things they do could fill a whole thread of its own but a 404 would ensure!
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This is one of the most ill-informed posts I've ever seen on this site. Never mind the hilarious spelling of 'torture', do you seriously believe that "No one thinks to ask why there are going to be torched [sic] and killed"? Do you honestly believe that the majority of asylum seekers' claims are simply taken at face value? That they have all committed some heinous act in order to be forced out of their countries?

As for what you say about Govanhill - really? Last time I was there it was still chock full of the same white neds behaving in the same old manner.



posted on Apr, 2 2013 @ 01:00 PM
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"As for what you say about Govanhill - really? Last time I was there it was still chock full of the same white neds behaving in the same old manner."

Not so now, its kind poetic justice in a way. Those same wee white neds are now the ones being chased down the street and out of the parks simple because there seriously outnumbered by the refugees. That's not to say we should trade one bad element for another, but at least the wee neds were the devil you know. They generally stick to stabbing each other as opposed to civilians. I never did here of any of them prostituting their own kids ether. I'm not implying they are angels but they stayed out our bins.

I have no idea as to the requirements political refugees need to claim asylum here in the UK. I imagine they must be rather lax these days given the numbers of refugees entering the United Kingdom.

As for my spelling, my first few posts were done on the tablet, then again I am dyslexic.
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posted on Apr, 2 2013 @ 01:01 PM
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Well, I can't speak for glasgow as its been years since i have lived there.

But I can speak for coventry, and when the council admits it has a problem with migrants
then believe me that problem is 10x worse than whats already being portrayed.



posted on Apr, 2 2013 @ 01:04 PM
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Originally posted by andy06shake
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"As for what you say about Govanhill - really? Last time I was there it was still chock full of the same white neds behaving in the same old manner."

Not so now, its kind poetic justice in a way. Those same wee white neds are now the ones being chased down the street and out of the parks simple because there seriously outnumbered by the refugees.

As for my spelling, my first few posts were done on the tablet, then again I am dyslexic.


Andy

You dont have to explain yourself to that poster
Imo I think the poster just copied and pasted his text...cant prove it mods, but If I must.....



posted on Apr, 2 2013 @ 01:16 PM
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Cheers for the support mate!

Is that a ZX Spectrum48k in your avatar? I had one of those many, many moons ago.



posted on Apr, 2 2013 @ 01:58 PM
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Govanhill is not the worst area to walk through in Glasgow but it is overrun with immigrants whose lifestyle leaves much to be desired. I would much rather walk down Allison street at night than say some of the streets in the schemes etc...and of course you can take your chances over in Pollokshields but that would be a different issue. I have lived In Dixon avenue, Albert road and above that Subway shop on Victoria road!
But there is no point in moaning about ...nothing is going to change...in fact it will only get worse. Move to Shawlands!





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