Immigration in the UK - The Reality?

Originally posted by andy06shake
reply to post by Anusuia

 

Please everyone check out these links if you have the time. I will warn you its not nice reading!

www.thesun.co.uk...

www.guardian.co.uk...

www.dailymail.co.uk...

ourscotland.myfreeforum.org...

www.davidicke.com...

This is the Southside of Glasgow!

This is whats happening because our politicians are granting political asylum to these people if you can call them that!

Now tell me why we are letting this happen???

edit on 30-3-2013 by andy06shake because: (no reason given)

To create anger, resentment, bitterness and ultimately a breakdown of society. The strong delusion is upon the world to rebuild that last tower. Nations that are stable and peaceful have no need to dissolve their borders, no need to compromise its collective morality, it's collective religious beliefs and it's citizens would have no need to accept globalisation and it's horrendous implications. How have the western nations thrown out the faith of their grand parents? Indoctrination of media and forced immigration of dissimilar cultures. Those dissimilar cultures are the very cited reason for removing anything Christian - all in the name of equality and discrimination. For the past four decades this has been happening, largely by the newly created atheists and secularists who were all too happy to indulge in their new love of sin and wave bye bye to those morals of God. But a strange thing is happening today, it's those very groups that are now noticing the ramifications of doing so. They were happy to throw God away when it served their purpose, but today, the consequences of doing so are biting us all in the butt. Not only do we have the yob mentality of youthful Britain but the even worse morals of dissimilar cultures.

Society forgets how morals work - four friends love stealing and the fifth does not. What happens when the five spend time together? Do the four stop stealing or is it the one who occasionally starts stealing? Of course it's the latter. Sin worsens, it's a downward spiral. This is what is happening. Now let the leaders add in some wars, poverty, food shortages, severe inflation, crises and the population, already fractured out of cohesion, will grow weary and eventually settle for further compromise just to get peace.

We must be sure not to blame these immigrants who are but pawns in the leaders hands to incite civil unrest. We as a society chose it by abandoning the God of our forefathers for a new world of fun fun fun. But along with that fun fun fun comes the yobs kicking in doors, setting fires, hanging on corners, breaking glass, living on the dole, - their parents abandoned their God given duty to instruct their children in His laws and His salvation. And here we all sit staring at immigrants who won't be that far different than the current crop of British growing up addicted to pornography and drugs. That immigrant raping the 7 year is our next generation if we don't collectively take stock of who has done what to us.

Sin is a downward spiral. Reprobate minds are under Our God's wrath and those minds will be pressed to bear their wicked fruit. Our leaders are there to bless or punish, and as before, the tail becomes the head when His people forget Him.

People using mind control jargon talk as in " Racist " need to become more honourable within themselves and first look at the log in their own eyes .
All Glories to Sri Yeshua on his departure from the lands that also had been invaded by unruly Romans ...sorry

reply to post by WhoKnows100


Buddy that seems to be a nice religious sentiment you have there, if only it were a religious problem. The refugee situation here in the UK is more of a social, probably even criminal issue. We don't really care what or how people call there deity/deity's. We do care however that they terrorise, sodomize, urinate, prostitute, steal, murder, beast and rape there way through our communities!

And the going through the rubbish so they can steal our identities, and arse up's your credit rating! They don't even put the stuff they don't want back and then it attracts rats, big yins! Dirty baby nappies and sour milk containers everywhere! That really gets ma goat!

If anyone wants to know what its like to live in a skip move to Govanhell Glasgow! I cant wait to get out of here!!!

Only thing is because i'm White i'm apparently not a priority to be rehoused for about 3-5 years(Housing associations words!). Even though I live in a top flat two bedroom shoebox(£385 quid a month!) with my partner, daughter 7 and 18 week old baby boy, who sleeps in his crib at the foot of our bed!

I have to jump in on this one - been a long time since I've posted on ATS and thought this was as good a place as any to start again.

Feeling upset by the crimes committed by immigrants does not make one racist in the same way that feeling upset by the crimes committed by natives does not make one unpatriotic.

I live oop north and we have had many immigrants from many countries up here for a long time. Many have integrated well and are valued, respected and considerate members of their communities.

Admittedly, many of these communities have now become microcosms of their home societies, but I think that is inevitable. People seek to be close to those they are familiar with. I have never had any trouble walking through Toxteth in Liverpool (where a very good friend of mine lives) - I have in Chatham, Kent though - from native British thugs.

However, I have noticed that recently the game seems to be changing. I can't necessarily pin it down to any one ethnic or national group, but there seem to be larger groups of foreign gents wandering the streets, lurking (by which I mean making lewd gestures to women) in nightclubs and cruising in cars when I'm walking the dog than ever before.

Are some of these groups just lads out for a good night? Absolutely.
Are some of these groups sinister? Absolutely.
Am I racist? No
Am I worried about what I'm seeing? Yes
Does the MSM exaggerate the issue? Definitely
Does Britain need to think about tightening the drawbridge? YES

The earlier post about Eastern Europeans taking over the streets of Glasgow made me think. My grandfather was from Paisley and he was a hard man. If these people can take over these streets, it really makes me wonder just what is really going on that the press don't report.

Three words spring to mind - serious, organised and crime.

Take care,

C

Originally posted by Anusuia
People using mind control jargon talk as in " Racist " need to become more honourable within themselves and first look at the log in their own eyes .
All Glories to Sri Yeshua on his departure from the lands that also had been invaded by unruly Romans ...sorry

Would you care to elaberate on that?
Have you any sources?

reply to post by davesmart


Its something I read in my adventures through the internet . My memory isn't as good as it was once thus I just remember the general theme of what I read about certain groups similar Tavistock , invented jargon talk to use as a weapon against whatever cause they wants demolished and not gain a foothold in peoples consciousness .

Like the label of Conspiracy theorist . Thats one is a classic example . Immediately it demotes the person who is putting forth an idea or even facts about stuff , lets call it
Along with that other words have been connected to it in the mainstream media that are also defaming or supporting what message they want people to get from jargon words .
You get the idea ?
The use of words has always been a tool for ideas but they refined down to an art form due to having such immediate communications available to people now . Then people just start to also use the words put out there , mindlessly , not thinking why they are doing it . What formed that use of language in them in the first place that labels .
Its fast and effective .
Here in this thread , no matter how many of you explain that they are targeting the actions of an immigrant population that is newly decended upon the fair isles , rather than the race , the label users still wont concede that they accept your premises or what is motivating you .
They mindlessly chant the pre programmed word , label .

reply to post by cado angelus


"The earlier post about Eastern Europeans taking over the streets of Glasgow made me think. My grandfather was from Paisley and he was a hard man. If these people can take over these streets, it really makes me wonder just what is really going on that the press don't report.

Three words spring to mind - serious, organised and crime."

Ile explain it in two words, sheer numbers!

But yes you are right organised crime does play its part especially when it comes to eastern European refugees prostituting their own children!

Should they get away with that because it's part of their culture? One hopes not, and also that its not part of any culture!

Originally posted by Anusuia
reply to post by davesmart

 

Its something I read in my adventures through the internet . My memory isn't as good as it was once thus I just remember the general theme of what I read about certain groups similar Tavistock , invented jargon talk to use as a weapon against whatever cause they wants demolished and not gain a foothold in peoples consciousness .

Like the label of Conspiracy theorist . Thats one is a classic example . Immediately it demotes the person who is putting forth an idea or even facts about stuff , lets call it
Along with that other words have been connected to it in the mainstream media that are also defaming or supporting what message they want people to get from jargon words .
You get the idea ?
The use of words has always been a tool for ideas but they refined down to an art form due to having such immediate communications available to people now . Then people just start to also use the words put out there , mindlessly , not thinking why they are doing it . What formed that use of language in them in the first place that labels .
Its fast and effective .
Here in this thread , no matter how many of you explain that they are targeting the actions of an immigrant population that is newly decended upon the fair isles , rather than the race , the label users still wont concede that they accept your premises or what is motivating you .
They mindlessly chant the pre programmed word , label .

edit on 30-3-2013 by Anusuia because: (no reason given)

Oh yeh how dumb of me scuze me englais i comprend now

Brainwashed

Every community has "bad eggs" from each sector of the community, whether Caucasian or not. Immigrants do not have a predisposition to being rapists, as white British born national do not either.

This thread is stupid, essentially it is equating every immigrant to a rapist. As an immigrant I can dispel that notion. Rape is conducted by all colors and creeds.

reply to post by SpeachM1litant


You need to go back and read the begining and read the comments from people ho live there and the one where they ask their police friends what the figures are truely .
There maybe a problem with the underworld figures pouring into the country for easy pickings . as has been previously suggested
Can you entertain that thought
Just out of curiosity , since you state that you immigrated to ??? was it England ??? What motivated you to leave your country . Was it just the thought of change and adventure .
I would immigrate for a change of scenery myself, but certainly not to England ever ....Im already a long lost Pommie decendant . Have no desire to return to the motherland at all .

reply to post by SpeachM1litant


"Every community has "bad eggs" from each sector of the community, whether Caucasian or not. Immigrants do not have a predisposition to being rapists, as white British born national do not either."

Just wait till they dump 5000 Romanian, Bulgarian, Slovakian and Somalian refugees in your neighbourhood.

Lets see how you like it when gangs of them 30-40 strong of all ages roam your streets day and night(All night!)vandalising, terrorising, mugging and raping your local citizens.

Then see if your opinion remains the same!

I don't see myself how immigration is so outrageous. I'm not in favour of it by any means, when I think about it I struggle to see any great benefit, or any real improvement at all if I'm to be honest. At the same time though I also find it hard to see all these great cons of immigration I'm hearing about.

Overall while there no doubt is some negatives, maybe some positives too, I get the feeling that a lot of strong sentiment on the issue is grounded in cultural biases.

You have overly liberal people who have a liberal world view and go out of their way to find good things to make immigration seem awesome. You then have overly conservative people with a conservative world view who'll zero in on the bad things to make immigration seem like an apocalyptic ending of society.

speaking for myself I just can't get emotional or find that much of a sh*t to give about the entire debate. If you ask me successive governments are allowing immigration on a large scale, benefiting from it, and then using said immigrants as a scapegoat for systematic failures they've intentionally created.

appears to me that they're bringing immigrants in by the boatload as an excuse/justification to f*ck us over.

reply to post by GrandStrategy
. I think most of us feel more neutral about immigrations that is not disrupting a country . Most immirants add alot to a country like Australia where we have added to so much colour culturally and gene pool wise , to our bland initial convict culture and gene pool .

But this current situation world wide seems to be an agenda . Who's calling the shots . Why are the boarders down on western societies .
Secondly why do the new arrivals from eastern Europe, as the named problem here , want to cause so much disrepect to the females of the land . I means its generally only a certain class that behaves badly and that is the criminal class.
Bulgarian or Slavic immigrants have never been a problem here in OZ the past . Whats going on in England ? sounds bad

The problem of certain immigrant groups being overrepresented in crime stats is really the fault of the immigration system in the UK.

Around half a million people arrive here from overseas every year.

HALF A MILLION!

Can they all be budding maths and physics professors, chemical engineers, doctors, research scientists?

There is absolutely no discriminatory process involved.

Just a whole lot of folk from overseas.

So it's not really surprising that many of them start to fill up our prisons the moment they leave the airport.

And it's not 'racist' to make that observation.

It's just a facet of mass immigration.

We may get a few doctors, nurses, and scientists...but we also get a # of a lot of dead wood.

An unwelcome addition to the home-grown variety.

reply to post by GeeBee


We could ask "Why are the immigrants here, and the answer would depend on our level of consciousness. I reckon they are here to give the experience of mixing with other cultures that the "stay-at-home" types could not experience otherwise. They are here to enlighten us.

reply to post by Maslo

Civilised folks dont do so unquestionably, because there is nothing civilised about ignoring these terms.

On the contrary, it is in precisely this that civilisation inhers. Civilisation is denaturalisation.

In fact, Id call it stupid.

I see. You call it stupid to give a stranger the benefit of the doubt. Others may disagree with that analysis.

Instinct is there for a reason, and it can be rational to follow it sometimes, such as when the immigrants are problematic.

Nobody is disputing the first part of that sentence. The second, however, is thoroughly xenophobic. The problems you perceive are not due to immigrants, they are due to cultural incompatibilities between two groups: natives and immigrants. You are assuming that natives have greater natural rights than immigrants. You would have a hard time proving that, I think, or justifying privilege to natives in any but emotive terms. I think you will find, for example, that immigrants are economically more productive than natives, almost anywhere in the world you choose to look.

"Civilisation is denaturalisation."

I really wish it was because that would mean that civilisation had been following nature.
But based on what I see, civilisation has been fighting nature, so is think decivilisation is naturalisation.
I suppose it depends whether you have a better set of signposts than those provided by nature, like a new super-duper phone or something.

It's really very simple. Great Britain is the westernmost part of Europe, yet the immigrants travel through many countries to get here. Why? Because we have a free healthcare to all and welfare system that is massively generous and geared to prioritise those who have immigrated. What other countries would give you a free home, enough money to live on and free healthcare the moment you landed on their shores? Name one!

This availability of free welfare attracts the worst in society, many of whom have been excluded from their own societies.

Unfortunately this country's authorities are terrified of being accused of being discriminatory and so tend to discriminate positively towards ethnic minorities.

reply to post by SprocketUK


" As for the rape gangs and their ilk. Maybe it's time to ignore the judicial system and simply burn these folks and their businesses out. .. "

What about their human rights, SprocketUK ? We'll be in trouble if we speak to these gentlemen ( ? ) harshly, never mind set fire to them !

Joking aside, though, we're a small island with far too big a population. It seems to be far too easy to walk / swim / fly / drive into this country and exploit our healthcare and benefits systems. Time to lift the drawbridge
and impose difficult / impossible to meet immigration conditions, and root out the scroungers and crims.

Try entering other countries in the manner that people enter the U.K ! We have been a soft touch for a long time.
Blame the European Union and the " Human Rights " charter. E.g. Mr. Abu Qutada, esq. the Muslim cleric who has just won his latest battle with our government to stay in the U.K. We can't send him to Jordan, because they
might not be nice to him...barmy.

Originally posted by GeeBee
It's really very simple. Great Britain is the westernmost part of Europe, yet the immigrants travel through many countries to get here. Why? Because we have a free healthcare to all and welfare system that is massively generous and geared to prioritise those who have immigrated. What other countries would give you a free home, enough money to live on and free healthcare the moment you landed on their shores? Name one!

This availability of free welfare attracts the worst in society, many of whom have been excluded from their own societies.

Unfortunately this country's authorities are terrified of being accused of being discriminatory and so tend to discriminate positively towards ethnic minorities.

I think the soft benefits (including madness like giving them child benefit (something everyone in the UK with children gets) for children who are living in another country), free housing, free healthcare, free education, free transport, free interpreters, etc, etc, etc are largely to blame for so many immigrants travelling around the world to get here.

I once saw a news report where a woman in a mud hut in a tiny village the middle of nowhere in Africa had 1 ambition - to come to England because you get a free house and free money, etc. Even Gadhaffi talked about how we were a big joke.

But the problem I think is political. Labour started this, allowing loads of immigrants in, no questions asked because it gave them 2 huge benefits:

1) They could call the Tories "racists" for questioning the policy (which is why people have been brainwashed into calling anything related to immigration racist), a simple way to tarnish the opposition without having to actually do anything useful while in power (this is why I HATE people who try to win an argument by calling someone racist - they have nothing to say, no useful input, but think it's the trump card for any occassion);
2) They'd have a new huge block of voters who would never vote for anyone but them;

Consequently, because we have idiots who are stupid enough to blindly shout "racist" at anything and everyone who disagrees with them, the police for example can't touch them.

So the criminal elements have a huge incentive to come here - steal from the country via benefits, etc, establish criminal enterprise, and make a lot more money here than they could in their own countries, with very little worry about being caught or punished.

I also do wonder whether this Europe wide mass immigration is part of a wider plan from within the EU to destroy the fabric and identity of individual nations so that they can be assimilated into a dictatorial super power.

If you are called racist or xenophobic for wanting to defend the traditions and cultures of your own people, while at the same time being told you have to respect those of other people, then once that has really taken hold how can any country resist falling under the power of the EU?

You're already a racist xenophobe for even thinking about your own country and what's best for it.

I do also wonder if there's a third more sinister element to the flooding of countries with imigrants, but that's something for another day.