Toddler mauled by 7 Pit Bulls

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posted on Mar, 29 2013 @ 09:28 AM
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Using that same logic, we should ban cars, guns, stepladders, kitchen knives and lawnmowers. ANYTHING can be dangerous, even fatal if used in the right way. Doggy people have their dogs in their lives for very good reasons, and I can understand that dogs bred to fight might be considered a "useless" breed by some, but we have the breed and it's our responsibility to manage it properly, since we effectively created it. I would seriously take issue with your assertion that the Rottweiler is a useless breed though...one of the best guard dogs there is, and there is definitely a need for them.

Maybe you're more of a cat person though.
I miss having a cat.

For more information, and before you all flame me into the next dimension, I'm absolutely NOT trying to make light of this terrible tragedy, here's a link though...

Lawnmower death stats

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posted on Mar, 29 2013 @ 09:29 AM
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Thank you for pointing this out. It is so easy for the pit bull lovers to back up all sorts of claims of them being loving animals.

Sure they (pit bulls) are loving animals.

Sure some pit bulls go for years and years without attacking anyone.

Sure other dogs bite and attack.

Sure people are ultimately to blame.

The bottom line is these type of dogs are like a loaded gun. Benign when handled properly and extremely dangerous when left unsupervised.

I would think twice about leaving any human being, including children of any age, unsupervised with these animals round. I love them dearly but they are too unpredictable to let out of your sight for any period of time.



posted on Mar, 29 2013 @ 09:32 AM
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A pit bull, when people take the time to train them really isn't more dangerous than other dogs. I have a 6 month old, and I was nervous as hell about getting it, but he's the biggest goofball ever. And once we get him fixed, then he's probably going to stay a big goofball. He's convinced that everyone in the world wants to be his best friend, and will go nuts trying to lick people to death. The key with any dog, whether it's a "violent" breed or not, is to train them properly, and if you're going to have kids around them, supervise the kids.

I can't understand anyone having 7 large dogs like that though. I met someone once that had 8 Rotties, but they were a small scale breeder for friends and family members, and all were trained.



posted on Mar, 29 2013 @ 09:34 AM
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I don't have to mainly because those numbers are meaningless.
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Prison populations Oh look. Black people must be inherently more violent than white people. See how ridiculous, and racist, it is? I get it. Simple minds love to hate. Hating on black people fell out of vogue. Hating the black dog is the next logical place to focus this insane and irrational fear.


What's really ridiculous is playing the race card in a pit bull mauling thread. It's a dog not a human being. Good god man, Really? The numbers you're claiming are meaningless are over a decade old, some over two decades. I guarantee those numbers involving pitbulls are significantly higher over the last 10 years. Make no mistake about it, many of the owners are to blame for these tragedies, but there is something broken in the breed as well, or there is a trait in them that makes them unsafe as domesticated pets. These dogs are prone to just snapping, don't get me wrong other breeds are prone as well, but the pitbull takes the crown hands down. Here is a perfect example of an idiot owner and his "gentle and loving" pitbull. The child is just walking down the sidewalk, watch what happens next.

Passers-by save child attacked by a dog

This is only one of many videos involving these "gentle and loving" dogs. These dogs are just way too close to going full out attack mode at any given moment. Not every dog is the same, some will never have a problem, but there is no doubt about it if you own one of these dogs your walking the razors edge.

Here are some interesting statistics from Dogsbite.org
Be sure to scroll down and check the chart.

Dog Attack Deaths and Maimings, U.S. & Canada, September 1982 to December 31, 2012

Are these numbers meaningless as well?
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posted on Mar, 29 2013 @ 09:36 AM
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As an ATS member and a pitbull owner, I have to say I was pretty skeptical as to what this thread would say about my baby and his kind. However, you guys seem to realize dogs are dogs regardless of breed and when they 'go bad' it's because of terrible or a lack of proper training. I must say, I'm touched. It really warmed my heart to noy read endless ignorant ranting regarding what a terrible breed they are. Thank You.
When it comes down to it, there are people who want their pits to look and act terrifying, and those are the pits we see in the news. It's true, pitbulls are the new misunderstood minority type for the msm to rip apart, but this breed used to serve as "Nanny Dogs" specifically /for/ small children. Seriously, google it. The pictures are hilarious.

I think the lesson here is 1) don't own 7 full grown dogs if you have a toddler... 2) know where the kid you're babysitting is. 3)Don't fall asleep on /any/ job.

Here's my little baby, Bruce Wayne:



posted on Mar, 29 2013 @ 09:36 AM
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I might suspect that there could be a difference in how the dogs are bred in certain areas. I know Rottweiler breeders in Scotland who's dogs are markedly different in personality to the ones bred in the south of the UK mostly for the security market. Dogs up here are bred to be big, bonny, affectionate creatures while retaining all the positive attributes of their breed without the aggression so much.

Perhaps indiscriminate breeding by people who shouldn't even own dogs, let alone allow them to breed, is part of the problem....they may well want the biggest, most muscular, most aggressive pit they can make, which should never be the case.



posted on Mar, 29 2013 @ 09:36 AM
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I owned a Pit Bull once, pure bred, called her Gypsy. She was the most Precious, Sweetest, adorable thang you ever met. Little kids would climb on her, tug at her tail, throw toys for her, never a problem. I really loved that dog.

Unfortunately, the Ex-Gf ended up with her. Still like the poster towards the top said. Put em in a group and when one hits the red button, they all go into horror/shock/attack mode ....which interestingly enough happened to me with a gang of about 6 Chihuahua's. I laughed at their threats until one of em crept up from behind and but my ankle to the blood.



posted on Mar, 29 2013 @ 09:39 AM
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I do feel really bad for the child to have to have gone through all of that in her last moments of her life, but I also feel very bad for those pitbulls. I wish people would stop placing blame on everything they possibly can, and blame what truly needs to be blamed.

Bad ownership.

I'm tired of video games being blamed because some kid decided to shoot somebody. I'm tired of pitbulls being villified all because of some very bad owners. I know many people who own pitbulls and have children of their own. Guess what?? They love their pits, and the pits take very good care of those children. Matter of fact, they are very protective of the children. The only time I've ever heard of them being aggressive, is when cops show up at their house trying to harass them because of the fact that they own pitbulls. You tell me what dog won't become protective if somebody aggressively comes to their home. Maybe only dogs who were babied for too long, who'll run away barking.

2 years ago my g/f and I were walking our dog(little daschund/cairne terrier mix) at this little park in Fort Collins, when 2 random pitbulls started following us without any owners. They were both big, but one was like an Arnold Swarzenegger of pitbulls. Now when the dogs came over to us, they stared at us. Thankfully I didn't feel any aggression on them, but I won't lie, I was scared for our lives. I reached over to a stick, called their attention, and tossed it in the bushes. They seemed happy, and ran over to get it. Then, after a moment or two, ran off in the direction we were headed. Now that is a time that we could've been just like those stories. But I wasn't mad at the dogs at all. Nope. I was mad at their owners. Why?

Because they had no collars, but were wearing a harness. They also were allowed to just run around freely. So whoever owned these dogs, were a bad owner. I called the humane society, reported the two loose dogs, and then we left.

My point being, is as scary as that is, it's not the dogs. Just like when people are messed up in the head, it's not movies, books, or video games. More often than not, it's how they were raised. Start placing blame back where it needs to be. Start taking responsibility like a true adult should.

I mean, seriously, a grandma sleeps while a 2yo is outside unsupervised. Even if the pitbulls didn't attack the child, a child predator could've snatched her. If she were in the mountains, a mountain lion could've snatched her. Or hell, the child could've just fallen down badly enough to hurt herself, all while grandma sleeps. Plus, people who don't watch their children very well, shouldn't be trying to take care of 7 pitbulls. They need constant exercise, walking, playing, anything to not only train them, but to also wear down their energy. Know your breeds. My g/f won't allow me to ever have my favorite type of dog, siberian husky, because we're both PC nerds and don't exercise as often as we should. In other words, we're responsible, and won't get a breed that requires more work than we will put into taking care of one. We do walk our dog 1-2 miles a day, but a husky requires 3-5 miles a day.

Plus not only that, but you have to be dominant over your dog, or else the dog will feel it's the pack leader. You'd have to be very big person, with a very strong personality to be dominant over 7 pitbulls.

Point of my early morning rant is stop blaming the breeds, and blame the true problem. Bad owners.
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posted on Mar, 29 2013 @ 09:39 AM
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Originally posted by caitlinfae
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Using that same logic, we should ban cars, guns, stepladders, kitchen knives and lawnmowers. ANYTHING can be dangerous, even fatal if used in the right way. Doggy people have their dogs in their lives for very good reasons, and I can understand that dogs bred to fight might be considered a "useless" breed by some, but we have the breed and it's our responsibility to manage it properly, since we effectively created it. I would seriously take issue with your assertion that the Rottweiler is a useless breed though...one of the best guard dogs there is, and there is definitely a need for them.

Maybe you're more of a cat person though.
I miss having a cat.

For more information, and before you all flame me into the next dimension, I'm absolutely NOT trying to make light of this terrible tragedy, here's a link though...

Lawnmower death stats

edit on 29-3-2013 by caitlinfae because: (no reason given)


I am 100% a dog person own them and my parents have breed them (Labradors) and let me tell you they can be vicious too (several killed cats unfortunately) and in pack dangerous!

Most breeds have a place in our world as a Shepard, hunter helpers and guards. The Pit Bill was bred to be an aggressive Sport Fighting Dog and a Killer, bred to finish the job by going in for the Kill. This atrocious so called sport needs to be eliminated and unfortunately I believe the dogs do to. I do not want them killed but bred out...

They officially have the highest incident of fatalities than any other breeds

I am not a cat person but I liked your inference that somehow I was. I have trained my dog to keep them from pooping on my lawn actually and he does a good job of it! Now if I could train him to clean up his own poop!
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posted on Mar, 29 2013 @ 09:40 AM
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Granny of the year deserves a manslaughter charge IMO. Who takes a nap and leaves a toddler around 7 dogs? Breed is irrelevant a child that young shouldn't be unsupervised around a chihuahua. Pure negligence that unfortunately resulted in the death of a child and a new story for the anti-pit propaganda machine.



posted on Mar, 29 2013 @ 09:41 AM
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@Nucleardoom

Funny choice of words, did you know there is a subgroup of pitbulls that were bred to be stockier and more muscular? They are called "razor's edge" pitbulls.
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posted on Mar, 29 2013 @ 09:45 AM
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A few pics of the "vicious" Pit in action.













posted on Mar, 29 2013 @ 09:51 AM
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Be sure to get pics if/when his switch gets turned. And look out. That's the problem with the breed. They can be fine as kind, like in this story(kid played with the dogs all the time) but when that switch gets flipped game over. See Abeverages post above.



posted on Mar, 29 2013 @ 09:56 AM
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Not all dogs have a switch. Seriously. I've had two Staffies, a very similar breed to pits. The first was with me 14 years, and we were hardly ever separated. Not once, in all that time, did I see him turn on anyone or anything. The cats used to turf him out of his own bed, for god's sake. The one I have now is a little feistier, I will admit, but training and socialisation will take care of that...he's a good guy and very smart.

However, I still wouldn't leave him alone with anyone. Not because he's a Staffie, but because he's a dog.



posted on Mar, 29 2013 @ 09:58 AM
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Oh, I know, but the point I was trying to make was that we shouldn't eliminate the breed, or just instantly put them down when something happens. Pits can be very loving, and very gentle when handled and raised properly. The problem comes when people decide they want something vicious.

I had a neighbor that had a Samoyed. Beautiful dog, and started out as friendly as could be. But all they wanted was a dog that would bark when people were in their carport (the bus stop was right outside their driveway area), so they plunked this beautiful, sweet dog down in an area about 12 feet by 4 feet, never played with him, never took him out to walk, never let him run, or had any interaction except to feed him. Within a year or so, I was terrified to go out into my yard, because if he had ever gotten over the fence, he would have killed me. I don't know if it was because I had befriended him, and then got so busy with work I didn't have time to go visit him anymore, or what, but whenever he saw anyone else in my family he would be friendly. When he saw me, I was terrified he would get out, because he was the most vicious thing I had ever seen.



posted on Mar, 29 2013 @ 10:06 AM
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Let me ask all Pit Bull owners some directed and frank questions.

Do you Fight your dog? Do you want your dog to be a fighter? Do you think everyone is responsible who gets a dog and ensures it has proper training? Do you think an Animal can act like...well an Animal?


While I agree 100% this was negligence on the part of the owners and the person watching the child. These are still Animals with a tendency to do Animal things, Quickly and Unexpectedly! Pits were bred specifically to Kill not guard, not hunt, but to kill! They have killed owners (and their children) just as well as strangers.

For those comparing them to loaded guns you are wrong! A loaded gun does not think and does not have a desire or instinct to kill. Dogs do! All dogs are one or two meals away from a natural hunter! Having bred dogs and own them you cannot convince me that you have complete control over an animal You do not always have complete control and they do not do things unexpectedly and sometimes horribly!

That breed is designed specifically for killing and you will never convince me otherwise no matter how sweet the photos, I know dogs and I am not foolish enough to have that breed around me or my family! Because I know I cannot always be in control! I mean no offense to those that own them I love dogs and I get it but most people have NO CLUE what they are doing when they get a dog!

Basically I am not wanting your pet put down that would be horrible! Or to have all Pit Bulls eliminated. What I am asking is to either allow only mix breed (with less aggressive breeds) or stop breeding this particular Animal completely.
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posted on Mar, 29 2013 @ 10:11 AM
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Yeah? Except that pitbulls are disproportionally involved in attacks on humans (statistical fact, feel free to look it up) and are alive and not inanimate objects.

As far as your gun analogy goes: if I leave a gun unattended outside somebody might steal it but it won't start shooting people on its own. The same cannot be said of pitbulls.


 
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posted on Mar, 29 2013 @ 10:16 AM
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There is a distinct fallacy that pit bull owners grand stand. The phrase "it's not the dog, it's the owners and environment". This is true in that it most certainly accounts for some of pit bull behavior. However, overall it fails a logic test if you take the other variables into account.

Staffordshire terriers for the last 100 years have been bred for fighting. This doesn't merely affect physical attributes but mental ones as well. Much like in the equestrian world, animals of a certain breed are chosen to reproduce based on its physical and mental attributes. Some dogs are bred for prey drive, some are bred for docility, some for loyalty, some for aggression, some for obedience, some for intelligence, etc. etc. and any combination therefore.

The breed of dog absolutely dictates the base programming on the hard drive so to speak, just like it does in the equestrian world. You can nary find an Andalusian that is huge and ungainly as well as easy to train. They're small, nimble, hot headed, intelligent, hard to train, but very much so worth it if you get it right. Anything incidental to the breed is treated as being incidental to the breed because it was bred to be that way. Almost all of that are the way described and it is expected of them to be this way.

So if one understands the importance of breeding for dogs as they ought to and like much equestrians do for their horses, then you have to understand that Staffordshire terriers are bred for fighting, aggression, strength, endurance, ease of excitement, and various other traits that lend themselves well to winning a dog fight. It literally isn't the dogs fault in that it was bred this way, and any actions that a pit bull make that are anti-social or downright destructive ought to be considered incidental to the breed and understood when purchased by the owner. The owners and the environment that the dog is raised in can certainly affect the level at which these traits come out, but they don't completely nullify them in any sense of the word. They are always there. A family member breeds Staffordshire terriers for sale as guard dogs. He is under no illusion that the dogs are the way they are and strongly discourages them from being purchased as family pets. As he put it "as long as I have bred staffies, they all have a button, you won't know what it is, it could literally be anything, but if you push it, it takes quite a feat to get them to come back down out of violence and more often than not property or people will be damaged"



posted on Mar, 29 2013 @ 10:18 AM
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Your point about their ability tho think is an excellent one. This is why training, and socialisation is so vital for dogs and owners. Staffies have been described as thinking machines...they are incredibly smart, and love to work stuff out, love to have a puzzle, a game, a chase, hunt, kill.....

If I want him around, which I do very much, it's then my responsibility as his human to keep him exercised (at least 5 miles a day), occupied, thinking about what game I'm going to give him to play next, or he will absolutely revert to his instincts. You're quite right...they are very close to the surface, but control is also about anticipation. For instance, I never ever let him in the garden alone. He can clear a 6 foot wall with no trouble what so ever. Being a terrier, he has almighty prey drive, and if he spots another dog, he's off for a game of something. There is NO aggression in what he does...he wants to play, but I have to admit it's a scary thing to see running towards you and your little dog. He's also very vocal, and if you've ever heard a Staffie talk, or growl, or just express an opinion about something, it can be very intimidating if you don't know the breed habits. I have to anticipate his moves, watch his body language, think like he thinks when I can, so that I still stay the boss.

I don't have a problem with pure breeds apart from some of the health issues they bring up. People will still want a pedigree even if they are banned, so perhaps the best way is deal with the issue is by education and training of humans as much as the dogs.





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