Originally posted by adjensen
reply to post by kimish
No, there was no 13th Apostle, any more than Mary is the fourth person in the Trinity.
There's nothing wrong with thinking Mary Magdalene (or any Mary, Martha or Simone) on an equal footing with the male disciples, but that is 20th
Century western thinking, not First Century Judaic thinking, or the reality of that patriarchal society.
And the Council of Nicaea had nothing to do with the selection of Biblical canon. That is a known and demonstrable fact, and I wish I had a
dollar for every time I have to point it out.
So, you claim Jesus was just as much a misogynist as everyone else?
You think the bible is unedited?
I'm fine with you making your claims. Please, since you are so experienced at debunking these ideas, give us your wisdom. Show us your references
and proof. Back up your knowledge with your sources. Open our eyes by letting us see with our own.
Without evidence, your claims are baseless. If you feel the claims you argue against are baseless, well, that is fine as well ... but you can't use
lack of evidence to disprove lack of evidence.
If you think the bible is complete, great. If you think Jesus was a woman hater, you have that right. Not here to argue with you at all.
I think, if Jesus was about preaching love and equality, and he is the son of god, creator of everything, then he would see all creations equal,
including women; and if equal, then why not teach them as well?
Now, what role did women play in society during the times the bible went through major revisions, I mean, translations? If your society places women
lower than men, and you have a religious text placing them equal ... how do you justify yourself, if you spread the word of equality and still keep
your status quo?
We can all express opinions or put forth questions ... but when you claim facts, you really should back them up. You speak as though what you say is
fact, with nothing to back it up. I respectfully request, if this is important enough for you to claim, to also cite sources and references to your
As far as what happened, if history has anything to show us ... either 1) he is doing as told or 2) his safety is in danger ... or possibly 3)
Anyone preaching peace and equality, breaking the traditions or making people see change, comes with a hefty price ... JFK, MLK Jr, Lennon, Lincoln,
etc. all didn't do too well with their messages to the people.
There is also the thought: if it seems too good to be true, it probably is. rather cynical, but usually the safe view; and it is better to play it
safe and be surprised than to be caught off guard.