Originally posted by CaticusMaximus
Originally posted by antar
If they did lob weapons of mass destruction at US bases wouldn't that mean the US would flatten them in a single shot?
Yes, the invulnerable god-country, the US, will counter attack with a single photon torpedo, level the entire country, and then effortlessly phaser
the thousands of incoming SL/ICBMs from China, then tracker beam the entire country into space.
Actually, they're "tractor" beams. If you're going to snark your way through an argument, do it right, for the love of Roddenberry!
you're offended that I'm having a bit of fun with your comment, all I can say is that snark begets snark. Serious response does, indeed, follow,
The Chinese nuclear response, assuming they went all-out, would probably consist of several hundred, not several thousand devices. That's still a
hideous amount of potential damage, but let's not over-state the threat.
All of you who think the US would easily be able to "flatten" an entire country without starting a global war are naive and/or foolish.
I've been accused of a lot of things, but naivete and foolishness aren't often on the list. As has been pointed out on more America-bashing threads
than I care to hyperlink, we do, indeed, have the ability to easily flatten just about any country on Earth....and in 90% of those cases, nobody
outside the target's borders would give a tin defecation. Whether North Korea falls into the "nobody would care" category is open to debate.
You can all be sure that China is going to back up NK if the US tries to do anything to them. NK is probably controlled BY china, and one thing the
chinese are NOT, is stupid (as many of you think all nations are save the wonderous glorious god-country of the US).
What do you think a 'client state' is for? China will back North Korea right up to the point where the cost of doing so outweighs the political
benefits. At that point, they invoke plausible deniability, and walk away. As you point out, the Chinese aren't stupid, and their choice is rapidly
coming down to backing a) a client state that is becoming a political liability and an economic sinkhole or b) one of their largest international
trade partners. Sorry to point this out, the smart choice is "b".
Most North Koreans are starving peasants, and NK is right next to China. Any nuking would both obliterate whatever credibility the US has with the
world ATM (which is almost nothing already), and also would immediately get China involved who despite the ATS armchair-generals and chest beaters
assertions, would be a nightmare to behold in a fully engaged war.
Basically you would have a MAD situation.
Demographics don't matter. Whoever uncorks the nuclear genie is going to be seen as the villain of the piece. If you're so concerned about the
welfare of the North Korean people, why don't you politely ask the North Korean leadership to stop overtly threatening their neighbors, spend less on
their military, and work on their domestic problems? Neither South Korea nor the US is driving the situation at this point. Overt nuclear threats
*have* to be taken seriously...the stakes are simply too high to assume that anyone with nukes is 'just bluffing'.
The US is EXTREMELY limited in its options if NK nukes it, or SK. Any retaliation in NBC fashion would be "suicide" for the US, and any conventional
invasion would be titanically bloody due to NKs subterranean fortifications, tunnel systems, raw military power (they are NOT a trivial little back
water nation like Afghanistan), and pure hate for the West. It would basically be an un-winnable war.
What you all need to figure out, is that one nation being stronger than another on paper IS NOT IN ANY WAY a guarantee of flawless victory. That seems
to be the major perception though, and it is dead wrong.
edit on 3/28/2013 by CaticusMaximus because: stuff
I'll give you that..the US is limited in its options. Air launched/dropped, submarine launched, or land based. It's not a very long menu, but it's
more than enough. The thing that you (and the N.K. military) seem to be missing is that nuclear wars aren't 'fought'. Those millions of troops
won't be a factor, and hiding in vast, underground tunnels just saves the survivors the trouble of digging mass graves. Nuclear wars aren't about
fighting another country...they're about annihilating another country. In a full-up exchange between the US and North Korea, neither country will
'win'...but only one will survive, and despite some peoples' fervent hopes, it won't be North Korea.