Originally posted by charles1952
reply to post by boymonkey74
Thanks for asking, but I don't know what claim you're referring to. Here are excerpts from an article from earlier today upon which I'm basing my
The analysis is published in a new book, "Il Mistero della Sindone" or The Mystery of the Shroud, by Giulio Fanti, a professor of mechanical and
thermal measurement at Padua University, and Saverio Gaeta, a journalist.
Scientists, including Prof Fanti, used infra-red light and spectroscopy – the measurement of radiation intensity through wavelengths – to analyse
fibres from the shroud, which is kept in a special climate-controlled case in Turin.
The tests dated the age of the shroud to between 300 BC and 400AD.
The experiments were carried out on fibres taken from the Shroud during a previous study, in 1988, when they were subjected to carbon-14 dating.
Those tests, conducted by laboratories in Oxford, Zurich and Arizona, appeared to back up the theory that the shroud was a clever medieval fake,
suggesting that it dated from 1260 to 1390.
But those results were in turn disputed on the basis that they may have been skewed by contamination by fibres from cloth that was used to repair the
relic when it was damaged by fire in the Middle Ages.
Mr Fanti, a Catholic, said his results were the fruit of 15 years of research.
He said the carbon-14 dating tests carried out in 1988 were “false” because of laboratory contamination.
Scientists have never been able to explain how the image of a man's body, complete with nail wounds to his wrists and feet, pinpricks from thorns
around his forehead and a spear wound to his chest, could have formed on the cloth. Mr Fanti said the imprint was caused by a blast of “exceptional
radiation”, although he stopped short of describing it as a miracle.
He said his tests backed up earlier results which claimed to have found on the shroud traces of dust and pollen which could only have come from the
yeah because jesus was moses
lol at least i think so anyways. Pretty sure jesus was just Added. The new testament is bleh. Old testament is rocking
THE 400 YEARS BETWEEN THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENTS
At the close of the book of Malachi in the Old Testament, the nation of Israel is back again in the land of Palestine after the Babylonian captivity,
but they are under the domination of the great world power of that day, Persia and the Medio-Persian empire. In Jerusalem, the temple had been
restored, although it was a much smaller building than the one that Solomon had built and decorated in such marvelous glory.
Within the temple the line of Aaronic priests was still worshiping and carrying on the sacred rites as they had been ordered to do by the law of
Moses. There was a direct line of descendancy in the priesthood that could be traced back to Aaron.
But the royal line of David had fallen on evil days. The people knew who the rightful successor to David was, and in the book of Haggai, Zechariah,
and Malachi, his name is given to us. It was Zerubbabel, the royal prince, yet there was no king on the throne of Israel, they were a puppet nation,
under the domination of Persia. Nevertheless, although they were beset with weakness and formalism as the prophets have shown us, the people were
united. There were no political schisms or factions among them, nor were they divided into groups or parties.
Now when you open the New Testament to the book of Matthew, you discover an entirely different atmosphere -- almost a different world. Rome is now the
dominant power of the earth. The Roman legions have spread throughout the length and breadth of the civilized world. The center of power has shifted
from the East to the West, to Rome. Palestine is still a puppet state -- the Jews never did regain their own sovereignty -- but now there is a king on
the throne. But this king is the descendant of Esau instead of Jacob, and his name is Herod the Great. Furthermore, the high priests who now sit in
the seat of religious authority in the nation are no longer from the line of Aaron. They cannot trace their descendancy back, rather, they are hired
priests to whom the office is sold as political patronage.
The temple is still the center of Jewish worship, although the building has been partially destroyed and rebuilt about a half-dozen times since the
close of the Old Testament. But now the synagogues that have sprung up in every Jewish city seem to be the center of Jewish life even more than the
At this time the people of Israel were split into three major parties. Two of them, the Pharisees and Sadducees, were much more prominent than the
third. The smaller group, the Essenes, could hardly be designated as a party. Not long ago, however, they came into great prominence in our time and
took on new significance because they had stowed away some documents in caves overlooking the Dead Sea -- documents which were brought to light again
by the accidental discovery of an Arab shepherd boy and are known as the Dead Sea Scrolls.
Now, what happened in these four hundred so-called "silent" years after the last of the inspired prophets spoke and the first of the New Testament
writers began to write? You remember there is a word in Paul's letter to the Galatians that says, "When the time had fully come, God sent forth his
Son, born of woman, born under the law." (Gal. 4:4) In other words, the time of our Lord's birth was God's appointed hour, the moment for which God
had been long preparing. Some of the exciting preparations took place during that time of "silence," however, and you will understand your New
Testament much better if you understand something of the historic events during the time between the Testaments.
After Malachi had ceased his prophesying and the canon of the Old Testament closed -- that is, the number of the books in the Old Testament was
fulfilled and the inspired prophets ceased to speak -- God allowed a period of time for the teachings of the Old Testament to penetrate throughout the
world. During this time, he rearranged the scenes of history, much as a stage crew will rearrange the stage sets after the curtain has fallen, and
when the curtain rises again there is an entirely new setting.
In about 435 B.C., when the prophet Malachi ceased his writing, the center of world power began to shift from the East to the West. Up to this time,
Babylon had been the major world power, but this was soon succeeded by the Medio-Persian empire, as you remember from ancient history. This shift had
been predicted by the prophet Daniel, who said that there would rise up a bear who was higher on one side than the other, signifying the division
between Media and Persia, with the Persians the predominant ones (Dan. 7:5). At the height of the Persian power there arose in the country of
Macedonia (which we now know as Greece), north of the Black Sea, a man by the name of Philip of Macedon, who became a leader in his own country. He
united the islands of Greece and became their ruler. His son was destined to become one of the great world leaders of all time, Alexander the Great.
In 330 B.C. a tremendous battle between the Persians and the Greeks entirely altered the course of history. In that battle, Alexander, as a young man
only twenty years old, led the armies of Greece in victory over the Persians and completely demolished the power of Persia. The center of world power
then shifted farther west into Greece, and the Grecian empire was born.
A year after that historic battle, Alexander the Great led his armies down into the Syrian world toward Egypt. On the way, he planned to lay siege to
the city of Jerusalem. As the victorious armies of the Greeks approached the city, word was brought to the Jews in Jerusalem that the armies were on
their way. The high priest at that time, who was a godly old man by the name of Jaddua (who, by the way, is mentioned in the Bible in the book of
Nehemiah) took the sacred writings of Daniel the prophet and, accompanied by a host of other priests dressed in white garments, went forth and met
Alexander some distance outside the city.
All this is from the report of Josephus, the Jewish historian, who tells us that Alexander left his army and hurried to meet this body of priests.
When he met them, he told the high priest that he had had a vision the night before in which God had shown him an old man, robed in a white garment,
who would show him something of great significance to himself, according to the account, the high priest then opened the prophecies of Daniel and read
them to Alexander.
In the prophecies Alexander was able to see the predictions that he would become that notable goat with the horn in his forehead, who would come from
the West and smash the power of Medio-Persia and conquer the world. He was so overwhelmed by the accuracy of this prophecy and, of course, by the fact
that it spoke about him, that he promised that he would save Jerusalem from siege, and sent the high priest back with honors. How true that account
is, is very difficult at this distance in time to say; that, at any event, is the story.
Alexander died in 323 B.C. when he was only about thirty-three years old. He had drunk himself to death in the prime of his life, grieved because he
had no more worlds to conquer. After his death, his empire was torn with dissension, because he had left no heir. His son had been murdered earlier,
so there was no one to inherit the empire of Alexander.
After some time, however, the four generals that had led Alexander's armies divided his empire between them. Two of them are particularly noteworthy
to us. One was Ptolemy, who gained Egypt and the northern African countries; the other was Seleucus, who gained Syria, to the north of Palestine.
During this time Palestine was annexed by Egypt, and suffered greatly at the hands of Ptolemy. In fact, for the next one hundred years, Palestine was
caught in the meat-grinder of the unending conflicts between Syria on the north and Egypt on the south.
Now if you have read the prophecies of Daniel, you will recall that Daniel was able, by inspiration, to give a very accurate and detailed account of
the highlights of these years of conflict between the king of the North (Syria) and the king of the South (Egypt). The eleventh chapter of Daniel
gives us a most amazingly accurate account of that which has long since been fulfilled. If you want to see just how accurate the prophecy is, I
suggest you compare that chapter of Daniel with the historical record of what actually occurred during that time. H. A. Ironside's little book, The
400 Silent Years, gathers that up in some detail.
Read the rest of it in the link i posted.
Its very interesting.
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