Muslim leaders say - Muslims are Above U.S. law and - Do Not - have to obey Our Laws

At a Muslim rally in Austin Texas earlier this month, Mustafa Carroll, executive director of the Dallas-Fort Worth CAIR branch says,

If we are practicing Muslims, we are above the law of the land.

Islamic expert Frank Gaffney, founder of the Center for Security Policy in Washington, D.C., told WND that Carroll’s declaration of Islamic supremacy was consistent with Muslim teaching.

“When you hear one of their speakers say, we are above the law of the land – take it to the bank. That is what they really believe,” he said. “That is what all Muslims believe. That is what Shariah teaches. To the extent that Muslims adhere to Shariah, they are obliged to try and impose it on the rest of us.”

Gaffney, assistant secretary of defense for international security policy in the Reagan administration, noted CAIR was founded in 1993 to serve as a fundraising and political arm for Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood.

Carroll’s statement was similar to a statement allegedly made by CAIR co-founder and former chairman Omar M. Ahmad. He was paraphrased by a reporter saying, “Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant” and the Quran “should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth.”

This quote -> www.wnd.com... Main body -> www.wnd.com... and actforamericaomaha.com... Much more info at the links above.

If that's not Terrorist propaganda I don't know what is.

So, Americans cannot go into a Muslim country and fail to obey the law of Shariah - they would be maimed or killed - But Muslims according to this Muslim Leader can come into America and ignore Our Laws? How hypocritical is this?

Carroll is on record defending Hamas, classified by the U.S. as a terrorist group

www.investigativeproject.org...

I think it's high time The U.S declares CAIR as a terrorist group. CAIR leaders Clearly believe they Do Not have to obey our laws. At the WND link above there is a long list of CAIR leaders who have been convicted of breaking U.S. law. This list is as impressive as it is shocking.

This is cleverly disguised hate speech. Let me ask all Muslims on ATS some questions. Please identify yourself as a Muslim first then answer:

What do you think of Mustafa Carroll and CAIR? Do you support him and this organization and it's ideals?

yeah yea.. CAIR... bah. The majority of American Muslims dont follow Sharia in any case. The segment that does needs to return to a country where Sharia Law is the law of the land.. if they wish to disregard our laws. Here they should be held to the same laws we are... and punishments.

It is not just Muslim that say this. Listen to any Jehovah witness and their actions as for example defying the draft if in a country with draft. That goes for many fundamentalist churches who wish to enforce a theocracy on the state they reside in, and the list goes on. Why single out the Muslims concerning this?

Well, THEY say they are above the law.
However, others have a different opinion - myself included.

Let us not fall on the other side of the horse though...
Why is this hate speech? Or... exactly how?

Though avowed terrorists also belong to Islam, I have known quite a few black Americans who belonged to Islam - all except one were extremely nice to non-Muslims and non-Blacks, us included. They gave us food, watched our kids, and over the years usually did not hate anyone or any group in particular. The one guy that was a counter-example came from a very stressed family and I pointed out to him that his ideas were racist in reverse. (My peaceful Muslim friend agreed.) He was constantly angry at someone, but he did agree to talk to me at length about how the white race was bad. I agreed to a certain extent on historical grounds, but I pointed out that he crossed a certain line. Since it was not dangerous - and his type suffered more frequently in that society than mine - I did not mind in particular. He kept on explaining to me that Blacks came from Egypt and that the white birth rate was going down (indeed I only had one daughter at the time)... He was a funny person but not at all dangerous, all in all, he seemed to lack a sense of humor more than anything else.

I knew a Black woman raising several kids on her own - baking sweetbread all night and selling it all weekend on the market. "Ma Brown" always helped us - and at a certain point she confided to us that she was a Muslim. (I say "us" because I used to work at this farmer's market with my first wife). She is the best example to me of an extremely powerful yet peaceful Black Muslim. But there are also males.

An elegant Black man in the town I first arrived in America (it was a Navy base) always invited us for tea and coffee. Amongst a heated Southern population, he could always show an example of a cool head, politeness, letting others speak, impeccable dress, great scents, and he had a quiet authority like a Zen master. Even when the temperatures soared in the hundreds. No air conditioning, not much money either. For him being a Muslim was a mystical call, an invitation to exert super discipline over himself. He could expound upon Sufism which is as different from radical militant Islam as Padre Pio from the medieval inquisitors.

He did not try to convert us either, though he obviously did like to discuss the cultures and the values of faraway Muslim lands as well as mysticism. No drugs, no alcohol of course. He did not look like someone who even owned a gun let alone blow some civilians up... That was the farthest in our minds when we saw him. (Matter of fact, he was closest in demeanor to the local Rabbi.)

One reason why I am careful of sweeping judgments touching Muslims within America is simply knowing these two great counterexamples to extremist hatred personally...

This is going to sound harsh, and it might not be a popular opinion, but, I will stand by it:

Want sharia law? Go back to where you came from.

This is America.

You don't get to barge in here and start making demands and you certainly aren't 'above the law'.

Disclaimer: I am not a fan of any organized religion, just for the record and so no one thinks I am only picking on Islam.

Originally posted by daryllyn
Want sharia law? Go back to where you came from.

This is America.

You don't get to barge in here and stand making demands and you certainly aren't 'above the law'.

Maybe then America should stop barging all over their regions?

Originally posted by Guenter

Maybe then America should stop barging all over their regions?

Absolutely, yes.

We have no business policing the world.

If they are "above the law" and can not be prosecuted, then it stands to reason that they can not be PROTECTED by the law either and are at the mercy of anyone who wishes them harm.

well, when he breaks the law I'm sure he'll soon find out handcuffs, tasers, mace and nightsticks are stronger than the muslim faith.

Originally posted by Carreau
If they are "above the law" and can not be prosecuted, then it stands to reason that they can not be PROTECTED by the law either and are at the mercy of anyone who wishes them harm.

You can't have your cake and eat it, too.

Star for you.

reply to post by daryllyn

Maybe it is better if one makes the consequences clear to a potential immigrant prior to let the guy even fill out the papers. maybe its time to re-examine the term "freedom of religion". As for example in my country of origin, Austria, only major religions and this means these things have to be "Old", are accepted. the most "modern religion" is Lutheran protestants, the rest is called "Sects". In the cases of Jehovah witnesses i.ex. since they avoid the draft, ALL public service jobs are off limits to them. But our definition of a religion versus the 'free religion' in the USA, is quite different. Muslim countries for example are very clear on the do and do not, prior to entering their grounds. I guess the definition of "freedom" has to be explained a bit better. Yet on the other hand deeply religious people will disobey the law, regardless of the name that religion has. And with a world getting more insane by the minute, i wonder if disobeying the law and live by ones convictions is not the better way out.

reply to post by Carreau


That's where the term "OUT-LAW" comes from. Like driving a car without insurance.

reply to post by JohnPhoenix


ANYONE in the world can disagree with US laws but inside the US they will be adhered to, just ask the Mormons.

This is a rough translation of events between the US Govt. and the Mormons.

Mormon guy: We want multiple wives
US Army: That is fine with me just as soon as we have escorted you across the Mexican border.
Mormon guy: REVALATION!!! God only wants me to have one wife!!
US Army: thought so, carry on.

reply to post by g146541


Your post makes it very clear that "freedom of religion" is a nice catch phrase in American law. because if they really had freedom then the Mormons could have several wives. So seeing it then from this POV the Muslims are right to demand their own laws according to their religion.

reply to post by daryllyn


I fully agree, any religion trying to go beyond the law of the land, pack them up and ship
their ass back where it came from, if they dont have a place, give them 2 options to pick from.
30 days to pack your crap and get your affairs in order and your outa here.
Anyone failing to leave or change their views can spend a life time in prison until they see the law of
the land as supreme.

Originally posted by Kokatsi
Let us not fall on the other side of the horse though...
Why is this hate speech? Or... exactly how?

It's hate speech because it's neigh to inciting and advocating breaking the law and using violence. You cannot be a popular major leader of a very large group and declare " You can do anything you want, you don't have to follow these silly laws, we are above those laws".

Laws that say, You cannot rape your daughters and then kill them when they try to get away from you and sleep with a man outside of marriage"

Laws that say, " You cannot stone a woman to death simply because she looks at another man and refuses to wear her vale" These are things that happen under Shariah law. Muslims that think these things under Shariah are o.k., will now have the blessing of their major leader to do the same in the USA. Can't have that.

reply to post by JohnPhoenix


And how is it NOT hate speech of the ilks as Phelps and similar nut-jobs? KKK and so forth? Do we see much an outcry about this? Not that I side with the Muslim cleric on this - I am an Atheist and fine all religions stupid - but what Bi see in all these Muslim threads is that ONLY they are the radicals. Fair is fair! if you want to show the Muslims who is boss, show also the fundy-nuts who is boss.

i would say that anyone who believes their adherence to a particular religious doctrine (whichever and whatever that may be) supercedes the law of their place of residence, is likely to be a problematical citizen.

reply to post by RoScoLaz


And whoever boot-licks all laws without thinking is a Sheep.

reply to post by Guenter


That's the thing, you can believe anything you want.
However, you may not "practice" anything you want.
Sometimes this is a good thing i.e. Ritual sacrifices of children and virgins, things of that sort as they HARM someone else.
I do not believe polygamy is one of those things.
It is not for me though as I think 2 is a couple and 3 is a day in an Alabama courthouse.
This is only my opinion and there may be some women out there that are low self esteem and content to be 2nd or 3rd or 4th chair Etc. to a better woman.

(Edit)
This is only a few folks saying this as most Muslims would not live here in the US with the great satan.
In my opinion, all religion is for fools and tools, you can believe in a supreme being without having to jump through any of the ridiculous hoops other religions would have you do.
Religions were invented by kings for the use of kings, "Die for me and god will love you"!!
Idiots...