reply to post by bmullini
Anok did not agree with me. He brought out that Nordic countries are not socialistic policies, but liberalistic. To be honest, the real reason why I
personally liked the post, was that he was one of the first users, who have answered to such argument in a socialism/capitalism thread. Usually when I
have asked the question about Nordic countries it has simply been ignored.
Most users are open-minded, although I have come across some really close-minded users, for example in that thread a user called ElectricUniverse:
I have never implied socialism is the best economic system. Although I would agree that certain social mechanisms would make the capitalistic system
better. Too many people see things black and white: communism(socialism)/capitalism, left-wing/right-wing and it is ignorant. Some people like to
Socialism=left-wing Capitalism=right wing
That black and white view tends to create a situation, where anything left-wing is automatically associated with the terrors of communism and anything
right-wing is associated with the "freedom" created by capitalism.
You also tend to think in extremes as far as I can see from your post. Left-wing automatically associates with losing property rights, other rights
and freedoms. Both socialism and capitalism have some good ideas in them. As the Economist article wrote:
You must be ready to abandon tired orthodoxies of the left and right and forage for good ideas across the political spectrum
It is possible to create a system -a mix between those taking the best ideas from both wings - a system where everybody have their rights and freedoms
and still it benefits everybody. Capitalism tends to create extreme inequality, socialism is about absolute equality - why can´t there be a system
between these two? A system where inequality exists, although the wealth gap is much lower. No CEO is 1000 times smarter or works 1000 more than any
blue-collar worker(often the blue-collar worker puts in much more hours and time). Yet that is often their salary difference, It is suggested in
certain countries in Europe to cap the salaries of top executives, also high progressive taxes lower the wealth gap. Both of them are considered
left-wing ideas and many people associate these with the terrors of socialism. Maybe that is the real conspiracy set out by the so-called elites?
Convincing people that there are only two extremes (one is good, one is bad) and there exits no middle area...
Leaders all over the world come to US for complex surgeries. Although how many Americans truly have the option of getting a surgery from these
doctors? Usually such doctors are in top private hospitals and their fees are extreme.
I had a sports injury surgery 7 years ago. It was performed by a world-class doctor, who is the doctor of world-class athletes - olympic winners,
national teams, some people who are considered among the best of all time in their field. And yet I did not pay a cent for my surgery. I checked the
US rates for the same surgery. The lowest costs I could find were around 50k for the surgery and these were performed by a doctor with much less
experience. I would never have been able to come up with such finances. One of friend got into a car accident in USA, he was injured, although the
costs of the surgery went far above his insurance. At the end he owed more than 80k, it is simply absurd in my eyes. 80k is a yearly salary of many
Health care should be a right for everybody. Everybody, whetever their finances, should have the right for strong healthcare. The financial situation
of one should not affect the quality of the healthcare they get. At least that is my opinion. When considering the healtcare an average person with
salary can get, US is far away from the top (among 30-40th). When considering the healthcare a person with very financial status afford, US is the
place to go.
I have never implied US has not good higher education. Although I believe many Americans would agree with it costs too much. To be honest, most
foreign students do not have to pay for the education to get there. I am also planning on going there, I have already found myself sponsor who gives
me finances to study there. There are so many organisations that provide funds for it without asking anything back. It is overally easier to get in to
a Ivy League College for a foreigner than for an average American, as far as I have talked with different Americans. Overally again it comes to an
average person. If your parents are not doing financially well, it is not easy for an average person to afford strong higher education in most
I did not mean to sound anti-US or something. I have nothing against America or Americans, simply certain things seem a bit odd, as it is different