North Korea: its all fun and games till someone loses a city.

I don't get this attitude, do Americans feel that they are shielded some how from North Korea's Nuclear and bio/chemical weapons, that they inferior and dilapidated so bad that they cannot possibly hit American soil.
Well I hate to brake it to you people but that is the effect of decades of propaganda and brainwashing,
The old saying that the "deadliest bullet is the one that hits you" rings true in this situation, when NK launches which I have no doubt that they will in the near future, they will be wiped out, KJU knows this, but which American city is the American government going to sacrifice, because if at least one missile strikes true and hits the mainland USA, then as far as they are concerned, its a victory not only for them but every radical regime out there.
So how many Americans are prepared to be Nuked or Chem' bombed to wipe out North Korea?

This source gives some kind of a rundown on what they have, but unless they have a spy of their own in there we cant be complacent.
english.pravda.ru...

chemical weapons:

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And there's always the off chance that a false flag may occur. Doesnt really matter what they can and can't achieve with their current technology, as we will most likely accidentally let one slip through anyway.

Originally posted by Samuelis
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And there's always the off chance that a false flag may occur. Doesnt really matter what they can and can't achieve with their current technology, as we will most likely accidentally let one slip through anyway.

exactly, that's what I was alluding to, the majority of people seem to have an untouchable attitude, It's good to be positive, but some of the things are crazy, total denial etc.leaves us open for exploitation.

It's a long way from NK to US.
Any missile headed toward the US would need run a gauntlet of missile defense systems.

NK could certainly try to slow boat a launcher into short range from international waters. but, even then, there'd be time for intercept.

Sure, there's the whole conspiracy theory favorite buzz-word "false flag" to consider, as far as some ordinance slipping through the defense net, but, this happening is far more likely with a more conveniently sacrificial target that isn't necessarily so close to home.

It'd be foolish for NK to fire any nukes at anyone. It'd be immediate suicide. No one would need respond with nukes in return either. Conventional arms would be enough, and in the end, NK would be dissolved as a non-nation, divided up between China and South Korea with reparations in store for anyone accruing damage from the mess.

NK would be committing suicide if it simply tired conventional warfare.
So long as it held nukes in reserve, it might be able to deescalate a losing position, through bargaining, but, even then, little Kimmy could kiss whatever lifestyle he's use to goodbye in exchange for spider holes until he eventually gets got.

NK is making noise, like they always do, and their noise serves as being useful idiots.
So long as they're making noise, US/UN can justifiably move assets all over the planet that would otherwise raise eyebrows and concern among other nations.

No matter what NK says or does at this point, it's going to, and already is benefiting the US.
NK has already lost.

Their best move in this political theater is to shut up, close the windows, lock the doors, and curl into a tight little ball until everyone forgets about them in the face of some other world event.

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whoa, nasty much?

You think the US doesn't have the capability to shoot down North Korean missiles that are flying toward the continent?

Did you see the North's recent missile tests that barely made it off the platform?

North Korea striking the US Continent has a very remote chance of succeeding.. and why would they bother when the South Korean bases are a stones throw, Japan is across the pond and GUAM isn't far either.

Second the USA (im not american) isnt fighting a war in Iraq or Afghan. If it was a war, you'd see endless bombing and slaughter, any nation could do that and topple a country and declare victory.
The harder thing to do would be to surgical remove the threat while trying to sustain peace and stability, which takes time and costs lives. I'm not 'pro' American, but i hate the way people criticise the US for not annihilating Iraq/Afghan.. this isnt the 30's.

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Um, is it really necessary to use QUOTE directly after the post you're replying to?

Anyway, I've favorited this thread so, a month from now, or 6 months from now I can come back and say "I told you so".

It's not arrogance when you're right.


Have fun with all the doom porn. It's a fun little bongo to bang on so:

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The rules of engagement would be vastly different. ( from goat herders and oil farmers )

Give the US a black eye and watch the gloves come off!

That is something we don't want to witness.

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
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whoa, nasty much?

You think the US doesn't have the capability to shoot down North Korean missiles that are flying toward the continent?

Did you see the North's recent missile tests that barely made it off the platform?

North Korea striking the US Continent has a very remote chance of succeeding.. and why would they bother when the South Korean bases are a stones throw, Japan is across the pond and GUAM isn't far either.

Its not about being nasty its about getting down to brass tax. KJU's army is completely delusional and if it goes down they will cross the border in waves. man they see Guam as USA territory so of course its on the board, so is hawaii, but the mainland is pay dirt, like 3rd base.

Originally posted by Druscilla

It's a long way from NK to US.
Any missile headed toward the US would need run a gauntlet of missile defense systems.

Maybe.

But if we are so well prepared, why is there a sudden rush to build more missile defense, especially in Alaska and the East Coast? They stopped building those for a long time (I think on orders from Obama, but I read that someplace and don't have backup right now). Now there is a plan to build up, because our defenses are not adequate to stop the current threats.

We may have good defenses, but I doubt we have every hole covered.

Hawaii is part of the US, and they are less than 5,000 miles from North Korea.
Alaska is less than 4,000 from NK.
The US has military bases and citizens in South Korea, Japan, etc. so North Korea hitting them would be as painful as a mainland attack.

The US is not so invulnerable as people think. I agree with the OP. There is way too much complacency.

Originally posted by Timely
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The rules of engagement would be vastly different.

Give the US a black eye and watch the gloves come off!

That is something we don't want to witness.

I would have thought flying 2 jets into 2 civilian buildings would have been like a kick to the nuts, but you still cant get past the IED thing.
America has vast amounts of technology im not denying that, i just feel the public needs to address this a possible threat not just wave it off because they are on a different continent.

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I agree, but what im saying is, the US doesn't need to be on an ego trip to believe missiles wont hit the continental US. As said, there are many missile defense systems setup and nks missiles are nothing but large bottle rockets. I think the US Continent is safe, but yes, South Korea is obviously the most at risk as is Japan.

I'm still unable to see NK launching an all out assault on South Korea. Its pointless and guarantee's its destruction. Why would Kim jnr want to destroy himself, his government and his nation? He has a family, a wife the mans not completely insane to throw it all away.

Kim Jnr is trying his hardest to get the US to throw the first punch. All this bluster and '' army brought to high level '' is BS rhetoric. the USA will not flinch, its smart enough to know a costly, deadly war with North Korea is pointless.

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
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I agree, but what im saying is, the US doesn't need to be on an ego trip to believe missiles wont hit the continental US. As said, there are many missile defense systems setup and nks missiles are nothing but large bottle rockets. I think the US Continent is safe, but yes, South Korea is obviously the most at risk as is Japan.

I'm still unable to see NK launching an all out assault on South Korea. Its pointless and guarantee's its destruction. Why would Kim jnr want to destroy himself, his government and his nation? He has a family, a wife the mans not completely insane to throw it all away.

Kim Jnr is trying his hardest to get the US to throw the first punch. All this bluster and '' army brought to high level '' is BS rhetoric. the USA will not flinch, its smart enough to know a costly, deadly war with North Korea is pointless.

I wholeheartedly agree, I just feel people should recognize the times and the capabilities of each nation and be ready, not just have a belief that America is impenetrable.

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911 - grey area much. Not applicable to this topic.

I stand by what I said, give the US a slapping and they will come at you.

( especially if you have put your hand up )

If the nuclear genie is let out of the box - as threatened - the gloves will be off. ie. no UN - no ROE.

We do not want this.

S&F

ETA. there was a thread on here that I read recently, that stated - that the US have deployed/or have ready -
quite a few IED resistant 20 something ton behemoths.

They are onto it .

i agree with both sides of this argument which is bizzare...


I know the US has many defences in place, however one attack on the US would be a moral victory, and yes NK know they would be annihilated, but eh people (person) making the call on this doesn't care about his people, doesn't care about his country, as long as he and his friend survive the rest doesn't matter, and he would always go down in history as a legend (good or bad would depend on the side of fence you sit)

I have mentioned the above in a previous post.


my issue is why not put a nuke in a shipping container, get a subsidiary of a subsidiary to get the nuke on a freight ship, get it into a dock or even near the shore line then set it off, you don't need a delivery system to get the desired effect, and many many freight ships hit the western seaboard a day....

then send out a video, claim you done it and be in a bunker in a allies country when the bombs, nukes, chemicals, bullet planes and boats start flying... I doesn't matter by that point America will be hit, he would be in safety (for a time) history will be written...


then America would tighten up boarders more, and strip more rights from there people...



its not too far fetched a scenario.....


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Let's say that NK is able to make good on their threats. Worse case scenario would be tragic and many people would be killed and otherwise maimed. But what would be the end result? A retaliatory strike by the U.S. and allies would lay NK waste. No iffs, ands, or buts. Yes, there would be damage to the U.S. Yes, people here would die. But NK would cease to exist as a political entity and any surviving government leaders would be hunted down and 'reconciled'. And be sure of this, although Russia and China are allies of NK, they wouldn't even consider backing them up if they launched an offensive action.

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I think the issue is looking at this from the point of view of a normal (as normal as you get on ATS) person...

there is no compassion for the country or the people in it! so then there is nothing to lose, and its not about backing there actions, its no different that Bin Laden hiding in Pakistan... it could happen...

from a sociopaths point of view that's a win in there books, and from the point of view of the many fascistterrorist regimes that dislike the Us it would show the us would not be indestructible...

furthermore the financial burden and civil unrest that would come off the back of it (see how hurricane Katrina was dealt with and multiply it by a city of nuclear poisoned people)

if you look at it with concern for the life of your country and your people yes, it would be a pointless endeavour but if you take yourself out of that bubble and imagine... what would someone whos only goal is to watch America burn, to "bring them down a notch"

then suddenly there is a lot to gain from such actions

everyday i see threads like this where people begin to argue about what will happen or not. it's become comical for me, kind of like reading the funny's on a sunday afternoon.

best part is no one knows anything about anything in our world. unless you're in the know and have very high clearance, you know absolutely nothing, nothing but speculation. north korea could become a very bad thing very quickly so it's far more than just an annoyance to be ignored but then again nothing that is happening in our world should people fear on a daily basis.

living in fear is not the way to go, on the other hand living in a rose colored world isn't too smart either. find balance and begin to care about each other, that's what we're supposed to do to live a good life, care, work together but please don't argue over things that "we the people" have no certain information on.

i think the biggest story on earth is how detached the masses have become from the truth of our world and it's no wonder, we've been lied to for thousands of years by various regimes. this thing with NK could be scripted by tptb or it could be real, but you and i will never know till it's over so why argue over it, try mature discussion for a change.