Imminent nuclear war

reply to post by rigel4
watching it now on bing search has the hole movie good EMP effect, not showing the blind [ if your look at the blast your blinded, burns the eye retinas]thanks for the film another was the day after shows what happens after the attack has some good old FX. Now back to the topic: Just read this on KNCA news

Pyongyang, Ｍarch 27 (KCNA) -- The south Korean puppet forces have kicked up the racket for confrontation with the fellow countrymen by taking the advantages of the U.S. intensified nuclear threats to the DPRK and the racket for sanctions on it. They have now entered the phase of hurting the dignity of the supreme leadership of the DPRK.
The Supreme Command of the Korean People's Army solemnly declared that it would demonstrate the firm will for counteraction of the army and people with substantial military actions to defend the sovereignty and the supreme dignity of the country under the prevailing situation where the U.S., the south Korean puppet forces and all other followers have entered an adventurous phase in their hostile acts against the DPRK after going beyond the phase of threatening and blackmailing.
Due to the reckless acts of the enemies, the north-south military communications which were set up for dialogue and cooperation between the north and the south has already lost its significance.
In this regard, the head of the DPRK side's delegation to the north-south general-level military talks sent the south Korean puppet military authorities the following telephone message at 11:20 on Wednesday:
The situation is becoming grim as the south side staged the Key Resolve and Foal Eagle nuclear war exercises pursuant to the U.S. moves to encroach upon the sovereignty of the DPRK.
Under the situation where a war may break out any moment, there is no need to keep north-south military communications which were laid between the militaries of both sides.
War and confrontation can never go together with dialogue and reconciliation under any circumstances.
I, upon authorization, inform the south side that the north-south military communications will be cut off and the members of the north side at the military communications liaison office in the zone under the control of the north and the south in the west coastal area will stop their activities from this moment.
This step will be thoroughly implemented as long as the south side's anachronistic hostile acts against the DPRK go on.
There do not exist any dialogue channel and communications means between the DPRK and the U.S. and between the north and the south.
Not words but only arms will work on the U.S. and the south Korean puppet forces.
The will of the army and people of the DPRK to safeguard the sovereignty and the supreme dignity of the country will be displayed through practical physical counteraction. -0-

well there it is no more talk the next words will not be words but hot lead.

reply to post by Argyll


I think the North Korean people are well aware that their leader is full of crap.

They just smile and nod and keep their mouths shut in fear of being imprisoned, tortured and/or killed.

It would truly be the test of one nations humanity to not return a nuclear attack with nuclear retaliation.

I wonder if we have that kind of self discipline, especially when the fallout would still make it over here, everyone loses with nukes.

Nukes should not be last resort, they should not be even an option.

reply to post by olliemc84

I think the North Korean people are well aware that their leader is full of crap.
They just smile and nod and keep their mouths shut in fear of being imprisoned, tortured and/or killed.

I agree ......to an extent.....but there are a lot of people in NK who have never had access to any culture outside their own, there is a chance some of those people actually believe all the crazy rhetoric and bizarre claims .....I mean out of nearly 25,000,000 N.Koreans, surely a few of them would have tried to tap the "Dear leader"?......then again some may well have tried....it's not like they would report it I suppose

reply to post by nw15062


I don't think we'd use nukes, we can strategically do enough damage with conventional weapons. If they used nukes first, then who knows, it would probably start a chain reaction.

At this point in time it seems as though we're on that very thin line before physical war with neither side willing to back down just yet.

reply to post by Catch_a_Fire


I agree, I do not believe that with the way things currently are that we would use nukes, however the same can not be said about many other countries.

I do not see Un backing down because it is what helps him maintain power, he will constantly be stepping up the game to win over the people of his country and convince them he is not soft. The entire country is a military, it is not a politically diverse nation and the rhetoric that has been shaping their culture has been very self perpetuating.

Originally posted by Argyll
reply to post by olliemc84

 

I think the North Korean people are well aware that their leader is full of crap.
They just smile and nod and keep their mouths shut in fear of being imprisoned, tortured and/or killed.

I agree ......to an extent.....but there are a lot of people in NK who have never had access to any culture outside their own, there is a chance some of those people actually believe all the crazy rhetoric and bizarre claims .....I mean out of nearly 25,000,000 N.Koreans, surely a few of them would have tried to tap the "Dear leader"?......then again some may well have tried....it's not like they would report it I suppose

IMHO I think the people are too busy trying to feed themselves and their families to worry about what some rich hothead has to say or how many aces he has shot on the golf course.

The Kim Jong's are drug smugglers with an army behind them and ears listening everywhere throughout the country. An assassination attempt would be squashed long before there was a chance to off him. I doubt a normal civilian could even get near Kim Jong Un.

reply to post by pheonix358


We are still legally at war with NK, thus the cease fire and the sanctions, It might be time for little Kim to come to the table and surrender before he gets his bottom paddled? I would hate to see a bunch of civilians hurt just because a child wants to play hard ball with the big boys.

reply to post by nw15062
And that is what Kim jong Un is counting on, he uses them we do not or wont he wins, then China will do it to Japan and what Un did not hit. If he does use them we need to use low yield on him or a "dial a yield"

More breaking news.
US SENDS B2 BOMBER OVER KOREA FOR DRILLS.

Now thats going to send the wee fat one in to a frenzy. Whats his next move.

english.yonhapnews.co.kr...

bs it will never happen, if you have paypal ill make any wager nothing comes of it...

on a side note has any thought about getting obama or someone to invite the little guy to a party or somethin? i think north korea is like the little foreign kid in the class who wants to play but no one wants to be his friend so hes lashing out lookin for attention! just a though!

technically North Korea is at war with South Korea and USA (and probably others) after scrapping the armistice. They stil don't shoot at each other, but that may happen at any moment. The problem is that now North Korea is a nuclear country. No one knows how many and how powerful nukes they have. Some specialists wrote in US media sometime ago, that North tested a fuse device of 1kt for the purpose of ignition of hydrogen bomb.

Whatever it is, even if Hiroshima-style bombs, it is a matter of serious concern. Because the North's weapons will not distinguish between "military" and "civilian", they are not so precise as the US smart weapons. Most likely if they ever decide to launch a nuclear attack, they will make air bursts from 3 km above ground that would be devastating for the population below. The EMP alone although tempting option, will not achieve the main goal, and that is to get maximum advantage before the imminent devastating counter strike. If North Korea makes EMP only, let say over SK or Japan, or even Alaska, it will be hit back very hard, even if without nuclear weapons. North Korea knows it has only one chance for successful shot. Why should NK do it then? I am not psychologist for the North Korean way of reasoning. Perhaps they hope for Chinese and Russian aid at one moment.

One of the North Korean first signal for incoming first strike will be a massive drill of population hiding into underground bunkers.

If that tragic event indeed occurs, a North Korean "preemptive" nuclear strike on US bases and inevitably nearby cities, the Chinese reaction may be the most important next factor whether the world goes towards a full scale WW3 or it will be localized on the Korean peninsula and Japan only. China may do a variety of things, including taking Taiwan, and any verbal declarations. Or it may start a war with Japan at that moment.

Another factor for WW3 is the Middle East theater that may explode at the same day.

May God have mercy on us!

reply to post by nw15062

It would truly be the test of one nations humanity to not return a nuclear attack with nuclear retaliation.

I wonder if we have that kind of self discipline, especially when the fallout would still make it over here, everyone loses with nukes.

Yes, we have that self discipline, because we can still accomplish the mission without them.

Nukes should not be last resort, they should not be even an option.

They really aren't an option...but that won't keep us from threatening with them. Using them would be political suicide....even if NK used them first.

Thing is though, the only successful nuke attack Kim could do on the US or US interests would be in the form of a suitcase nuke or dirty bomb. He doesn't have enough missiles to breach either the defenses in the region, or the defenses in the US. But, artillery and other attacks could certainly do damage to regional targets, and a fight with NK would not be a cakewalk...if we put boots on the ground in NK.

reply to post by 2012newstart

If that tragic event indeed occurs, a North Korean "preemptive" nuclear strike on US bases and inevitably nearby cities,

If only that scenario were true... If so, then the majority of the missile salvo gets taken out by PAC 3 and Aegis defenses, while any getting by are destroyed in space by the midcourse defenses. The total nullification of such an attack should bring Kim quickly to the table, red-faced, and willing to capitulate.

But, that's not how it would happen. IF he were to attack first...it would be pretty much an all out thing. Artillery and missile salvos across the DMZ, quickly followed by armor and troops storming across it. Naval assets would try and storm the coasts and carrier groups, and troops would emerge in SK using tunnels to spread chaos. The NK air force would quickly try and get as much in the air as possible.

It could get messy. Our Navy would pretty much slaughter the NK navy, but we would see naval casualties, something new for us in this...

Our Air Force, and the SK Air Force would likewise destroy the NK Air Force, with VERY light casualties. (we'd only see real casualties once attacking in NK proper, due to hidden and hardened AA installations). Air superiority would be established within the first 48 hours of the battle.

The ground war though, is a different story. There will be heavy casualties in the SK army and civilians. It will be very confused, and difficult to tell who is on what side (as NK troops from the tunnels will likely have SK uniforms). The US mission will likely be to create an armored line to re-establish the border, and cut off any NK retreat, and prevent any further invasion forces. The SK and US tanks and troops would prevail within weeks, but there would be casualties higher than what we've seen in the previous actions.

After air superiority, systematic targeting of military and industrial targets. Kim and his leaders would have gone deep to bunker when issuing the attack. If we're smart, we'll keep up MONTHS of bombing, before even trying to send troops on the ground in NK. They simply have too many troops, and are too well fortified. Those fortifications need to be levelled before attempting it. Even then, we'll see heavier than we'd like casualties once boots are on the ground in NK.

Of course, we'll also have to involve China, and the rest of the UN Security Council, in deciding any post-war leadership of NK.

reply to post by pheonix358



Funny how you tend to re-write history to fit your needs. America didn't terminate their comeercial trade agreement of 1911 with Japan until AFTER Japan invaded China. Japan was already killing people and conducting total war well before the US got involved

Quit making up history to prove your point en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by Nettlas


Your visceral attempt to re-write history is disrespectful to the people who served in Korea, then and now.
I see that a lot of this web site. People who have been taught how bad America is and how they started EVERYTHING. You need to study history and quit being lead around by the nose.
Are we innocent, no, are we guilty of everything no. However, it is people like you, throwing these stupid statements downrange which inspires other ignorant people to follow suit and destroys any ability to have a normal discussion. Read the the link below and then go back to the TV.

www.historycentral.com...

reply to post by FraternitasSaturni


www.historycentral.com...

I'll give you the same link I gave the other "Historian" We were there, all 500 of us, because that was the Soviet/ American decision concerning what to do with Liberated Japanese Territories after WW2. We got our Navy there in two days because this was just 5 years after WW2 and we were in Occupied Japan.

Quit Showing your ignorance. It gives the rest of us, on this site, a bad name.

Little Kimmy is an impotent little dictator. He is where he is because he stepped into his fathers shoes. Really, 18 holes in one, and stopped a storm by raising his arms on the mountain top? Oh, and don't forget about the "unicorn lair". Are we really threatened by this little man? What could he really do?
He has threatenend to attack Hawaii and the US Mainland? With what? We are now flying dummy missions along the peninsula to thumb it in his face. Good. It will just show the world he is all talk and incapable of any action. Any impotent little dictator can make threats but I have serious doubts any of it will come to fruition.
Perhaps Dennis Rodman's visit was payment to Kim in return for him starting all of this malarchy. He gets a war stirred up, we send in our troops, so they are busy over there and not home fighting for OUR freedom. If you want to see the true enemy of this country, look no further than the White House and the Federal Reserve Banksters. They are the true enemy of liberty and freedom. Our framers warned us this would happen, and while we all slept, the nightmare was awakening around us.
Time to wake up folks.
Buy a shotgun....buy a shotgun.

reply to post by govspy911

Are we really threatened by this little man? What could he really do?

We aren't, but our allies are. He could do a lot of damage and chaos. He can't win a war, but he can certainly make a mess. And China isn't going to like the flaming bag of poo on their doorstep either.

reply to post by Gazrok


You,my friend, are ABSOLUTLY correct. For all you geo-political experts out there look at the link

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NK is a perfect stratigic location to plaster Japan, attack Tawain, and reek general chaos in the area. They are a threat to the whole region, which buy the way is the largest trans-national commerce area in the world. Without the constant influx of products from this region the US would have to quit going to Walmart because the shelves would be empty.
North Korea, regardless of what peoples opinions are, is definitly a STRATIGIC threat and is in great peril of getting its face punched in. Little fat boy needs to put his sword back into his pants and back away from the table.