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Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by Murgatroid
Paul traveled all across the Mediterranean, someone had to pay for all those trips he was taking. Who could it have been? Hmmmm.... maybe the Romans? He was one of them you know.
Why would Rome pay a guy to go around the area and preach the gospel they were trying to suppress? Probably because he was spreading a false message. Paul's message is totally different from Jesus'. They're not even close, it's so obvious!
1 Corinthians 4
15 Even if you had ten thousand guardians in Christ, you do not have many fathers, for in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel.
Matthew 23
9 And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by adjensen
How many people have you ever heard of that walked on water? One.
Where do you get that, Paul being a murderer?
That a murderer . . .
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by adjensen
Okay, I'll bite. I'll list the most obvious one, something that cannot be taken out of context whatsoever, it speaks for itself.
1 Corinthians 4
15 Even if you had ten thousand guardians in Christ, you do not have many fathers, for in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel.
So Paul calls himself father? What did Jesus say about calling someone on Earth father?
Matthew 23
9 And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
“Everything they do is done for people to see: They make their phylacteries[a] wide and the tassels on their garments long; they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues; they love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and to be called ‘Rabbi’ by others.
“But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers. And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah. The greatest among you will be your servant. For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted. (Matthew 23:1-12 NIV)
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” (Matthew 28:19-20 NIV)
“Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death. (Matthew 10:21 NIV)
As for Paul using the term, yes he does. As does Jesus, Stephen, the author of Acts, the author of Hebrews, and the author of 1 John.
Okay, I will give your challenge a shot.
Originally posted by adjensen
Please cite an instance where Paul and Christ clearly differ on a fundamental issue.
Romans 10
4 For Christ is the end of the law, that every one who has faith may be justified.
Matthew 5
17 Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them. 18 For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished.
Originally posted by windword
reply to post by adjensen
As for Paul using the term, yes he does. As does Jesus, Stephen, the author of Acts, the author of Hebrews, and the author of 1 John.
Are you saying that Stephen was the author of Acts, Hebrews and John 1?
Originally posted by bb23108
Jesus' message relative to ascension was about a process of communing with the Divine Spirit Light above, a mystical process that he called his most prepared followers to - those who lived his core commandments of love/selflessness.
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by adjensen
So when he says not to call ANYONE father, he really meant anyone but Paul? The context is pretty clear when he says "anyone".
You say the context is that he was talking about the Pharisees. Did you forget that Paul was a Pharisee before his "conversion"?
Here's another one:
Romans 10
4 For Christ is the end of the law, that every one who has faith may be justified.
Paul says that Jesus is the end of the law. There's no taking that out of context, it speaks for itself.
What does Jesus have to say about the law?
Matthew 5
17 Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them.
John 10
7 Therefore Jesus said again, “Very truly I tell you, I am the gate for the sheep. 8 All who have come before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep have not listened to them. 9 I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. They will come in and go out, and find pasture. 10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.