VICE: How to prepare for a North Korean invasion

Originally posted by MystikMushroom
I do know that the US Government isactually concerned about those tunnels.

I have a feeling once they start getting killed, their loyalty might not be so unwaivering. They could blast the N. Koreans with audio messages saying, "Surrender and we will give you hot food and a nicer place to live".

I've seen some video footage of the people there answering questions. I got the impression that they act fanatical to avoid the salt mines. In a land where your neighbor can taddle on you, and you disappear -- of course you're going to love your country!

Certainly that's a factor, but, they need be TOLD what to do, not bargained with.
They're programmed through social conditioning in the culture via an oppressive regime to respond better to being told what to do, and even think, as opposed to being given a choice.

Too much freedom to choose, even when it comes to negotiating surrender is a language the culture isn't conditioned to respond to.
"Your great leaders are defeated. We are now your leaders. Do as we command. Surrender NOW." is the kind of phraseology that will garner more favorable response as opposed to bribery with food or conditional bargains.

what's with the constant doom porn ? doom porn has lead to families being murdered.

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
what's with the constant doom porn ?

Well until ATS is cool with regular ol' sex porn this is all we got to work with.

That "insiders" perspective has been in every fictional Korean war novel since the 70's. The problem for the North is they know they can not invade the south with any chance of success. It would quickly turn in into a bloody defensive war. The problem for the South is the North can do a lot of damage and kill a lot of people and they would then have long bloody war to liberate the North ahead of them. The part that makes me worry is every day the North Korean forces fall futher behind the South. So you have to wonder at what point do they just role the dice because they know they will have even less of chance as time goes by.

Remember folks, N. Korea has some awesome advanced technology...





Nice Logitec mouse!

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"My secret weapon!" with a heavy German mad scientist accent.

chances are the us has been flying drones all over nk for the past decade as well as routinely positioned its spy satellites over head and have mapped every square inch of every piece of military hardware and location.

if the us got involved it would be a total joke. one f22 would shoot down 20 of their "fighter jets" before they were even able to defend themselves.


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Originally posted by Druscilla

Originally posted by MystikMushroom
I do know that the US Government isactually concerned about those tunnels.

I have a feeling once they start getting killed, their loyalty might not be so unwaivering. They could blast the N. Koreans with audio messages saying, "Surrender and we will give you hot food and a nicer place to live".

I've seen some video footage of the people there answering questions. I got the impression that they act fanatical to avoid the salt mines. In a land where your neighbor can taddle on you, and you disappear -- of course you're going to love your country!

Certainly that's a factor, but, they need be TOLD what to do, not bargained with.
They're programmed through social conditioning in the culture via an oppressive regime to respond better to being told what to do, and even think, as opposed to being given a choice.

Too much freedom to choose, even when it comes to negotiating surrender is a language the culture isn't conditioned to respond to.
"Your great leaders are defeated. We are now your leaders. Do as we command. Surrender NOW." is the kind of phraseology that will garner more favorable response as opposed to bribery with food or conditional bargains.

North Korea is a sovereign nation.

I like the line from a U2 song. "Throw a rock in the air you will hit someone guilty".

Most of the time aliens (spiritual Babylon) spend their time playing nations against each other like fools without a clue as to the future consequences of current actions.

For instance, the US helped arm and train religious zealots that took over Afghanistan and got 14,000 Russian soldiers killed in the process, who were invited to fight against the zealots by the legal ruling SOVEREIGN gov't in place. And yet the news I watched as a child said that Russia had invaded.

That one came back and bit us big time when Bin Laden came into play.

In other words we don't have anymore right to tell NK what to do than we had lying about why Russia was there or arming zealots to kill invited Russian soldiers. What the motive for that was other than revenge for Vietnam is I have no idea.

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Originally posted by Miracula
North Korea is a sovereign nation.

I like the line from a U2 song. "Throw a rock in the air you will hit someone guilty".

Most of the time aliens (spiritual Babylon) spend their time playing nations against each other like fools without a clue as to the future consequences of current actions.

For instance, the US helped arm and train religious zealots that took over Afghanistan and got 14,000 Russian soldiers killed in the process, who were invited to fight against the zealots by the legal ruling SOVEREIGN gov't in place. And yet the news I watched as a child said that Russia had invaded.

That one came back and bit us big time when Bin Laden came into play.

In other words we don't have anymore right to tell NK what to do than we had lying about why Russia was there or arming zealots to kill invited Russian soldiers. What the motive for that was other than revenge for Vietnam is I have no idea.

The statement I made was coming from a position based from the frame of a future past tense where NK had already gone aggro, and it's aggressive leaders were (now) dead.
It's future perspective.

In such situation, the NK would have rolled its dice and lost, as will happen if it does go aggro because it's only got 2 dice in a 4 dice game.

When that happens, due cultural conditioning, the NK people need be told to surrender. Bargaining is not a language they speak when it comes to terms of authority. They know oppressive authority. They respond to oppressive authority. Thus, to facilitate the insolvency of NK as a nation where all players come to equitable mutually agreeable terms, the NK army would need capitulate once its leadership was dead, whereby the former nation could, as previously described get a piece cut off for China, for China to govern/absorb to keep China happy, where the rest goes to SK which in essence would be a proxy US/UN protectorate.

I think most of it is all talk. Aggression and talking tough...well. There is putting on a show and then there is actually firing weapons. Until NK launches an offensive then its all saving face and keeping up with US training exercises.

It's definitely not lying about why Russian soldiers were in Afghanistan to keep zealots like Bin Laden with sin from taking over Afghanistan while getting 14,000 Russian soldiers killed while lying about it on the news to children like me as to why the Russians were there in the late 70's and early 80's. And now American soldiers are doing cleanup for a job that would have ALREADY been done, had the CIA minded its own f-ing business, and respected the invitation given to Russian soldiers by the moderate SOVEREIGN Afghan gov't. If the CIA had then Bin Laden never would have been our problem and 14,000 Russian soldiers wouldn't be dead. Having met some slavic people I have to say that some of them are helpful polite human beings just like us. Maybe more so than us.

That's aggressive.

The issue with underground bases/tunnels is that they have to have an exit/entrance which are just as vulnerable to air attack.

If the North Koreans did invade,

If... they haven't invaded anybody. The US is more likely to do the invading...

Somebody play out that scenario. You know, the one where the US triumphantly (again) murders millions in the name of Democracy?

I do not think this is about NK or SK. This is about the US via their proxy (SK) and China via their proxy (NK)

From the US perspective, Japan provides a safe-ish haven in an Asian Land Mass war. Much the same as England did for Europe in WW2. It is a jumping off point. Not having to have a D-Day is a great advantage and so SK provides the ready made and in place beach head.

China does not want the West to be this close. It hates SK and Taiwan for the simple fact that they are beach heads already in the hands of the violent West.

So play a scenario! If NK fires a few salvos you can kiss most of SK goodbye. Those long range artillery pieces will devastate SK. If you doubt this, look into your history and discover how close NK actually came to winning in the first few days of the Korean War (sorry Police Action).

Looking from China's perspective, If NK attacks, SK is sent back to the stone age for a while, the US military in SK is just about wiped out in the first hours after barrage after barrage decimate the basses. NK would get a good few missile barrages off at Japan (the Chinese people cheer).

The US reacts. But before the US can get forces deployed out of Japan for a ground war and by this time the populations of NK and SK have taken a nose dive due to civilian causalities, China marches in, secures both NK and SK in the name of the UN and, well, that is that.

If China manages to get NK to hit Taiwan, so much the better because then She can occupy Taiwan for humanitarian reasons because the Chinese are one people after all.

NK and SK are not the ones to watch! Look behind the curtains. See the big Panda!

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Originally posted by PutAQuarterIn
Never underestimate the enemy. Even a backward @ss one like NK. S&F

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No. I'd say we can underestimate them.

This post is a sham. It's a fantasy.

The Gay Bomb!!!??

Sounds like the South are well and truly going to get 'bummed'!!!

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I am using the EXACT type of logitech mouse right now. Even the same color. A mouse click is a mouse click - something's got to initiate the launch sequence.

How do we know that they didn't all gather around that little piece of 1980's looking equipment for a "Dr. Evil" type photo? I mean that whole thing looks like it came right from an Austin Powers' movie.

What if its all propaganda to make the world think their top military tech is old and outdated? Failed missile launches? Or missile launches designed to fail and feign incompetence and weakness - to instill overconfidence in their enemies.

I'm not saying this IS the case. But I often think in terms like these. I ask this - If you are going to attack your enemy (maybe at the behest of your big brother) would you want them to know the exact extent of your capabilities or would you want them to greatly underestimate what you can do? If so - how would you achieve such a goal?

Originally posted by MystikMushroom
I do know that the US Government isactually concerned about those tunnels.

SK patrols are always on guard for any telltale signs of tunnels (they have their ways, which I won't discuss). I have seen the proof that the tunnels exist, but also know that counter-measures are actively used agianst those they find. From the SK side of course.

Originally posted by Retikx
chances are the us has been flying drones all over nk for the past decade as well as routinely positioned its spy satellites over head and have mapped every square inch of every piece of military hardware and location.

if the us got involved it would be a total joke. one f22 would shoot down 20 of their "fighter jets" before they were even able to defend themselves.

 

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And all of those coordinates have been plotted into the targeting of our Ohio class Subs lurking off the coast of NK. Any effort of NK to go full bore against SK or the US forces can easily be handled by a single Ohio class submarine with its ability to independently target 84 sites with nuclear weapons before NK had a clue that their demise is just minutes away.

I'm more concerned with Big Sis than anything North Korea could possibly do.