Ancient Maps That Shouldn't Exist

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Very interesting, well researched thread, Op! I wish I had time to read it all right at this moment. Will definitely be back for a more thorough read. Just wanted to leave my kudos to you.

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while I find this topic interesting, It just didn't need to be posted about for the 10,000,000th time. This is not new, nor is it unknown to pretty much anyone with even a passing interest in the odd.

Not to rain on your parade as i applaud your posting interesting information. I just would've liked it if you had checked to see that this has been posted about before, seen on TV, mentioned in books, and is pretty much tantamount to beating a dead horse.

Also, a little balanced research would've been nice as there are competing theories about these maps and their origins.
The piri reis map has always fascinated me but I'm still undecided as to what it actually shows.
It sure does look like the land under Antarctica, but that's, really, about as far as one can go with it.
"It may or may not be... but it looks like it."
There is nothing definitive about it and the fact that it DOES exists means it should. IT only "shouldn't" if it actually shows the landmass under Antarctica.
There is no proof it does, though it makes a for an interesting and compelling topic of debate.
So, again, thank you for posting this but a thorough check of ATS beforehand would've done you well.

Old news.
Von Daniken wrote about this in his book "Chariots of the gods",
Have that book with a pic of the map in the middle.
A lot of talk about "ancient aliens"(even a series!) but its really too far for them to get here.
A better explanation is an antedeluvian civilization, call it Atlantis or whatever, but it is a good explantion
for a lot of things. When the poles flipped a lot of it would be underwater, except for outposts like egypt,
or south America.
And if they were space travelers, their descendants could still be up there, the greys do look like humans exposed to zero gravity for a time.
Reported that they can't walk on earth, need force fields.
Might be what their "breeding" program is, looking for fresh "blood"(or maybe DNA)

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Except the Piri Reis map and the "Orontius Finaeus" (latinised; his name was really Oronce Fine) don't portray Antarctica.

I would like to direct you all to these links that detail how and why the common myths around these maps are simply not true.

They are quite extensive and well written. While they are long, especially the article on Piri Reis, you should read the whole thing.

Piri Reis:
Piri Reis

The map drawn by Piri Re‘is dated to the month of Muharrem 919 AH (corresponding to spring 1513 CE) is well known in the fringe literature. Piri Re‘is was an admiral of the Turkish navy and this map, showing the Atlantic Ocean, West Africa, the Iberian Peninsula and lands on the western side of the Ocean, seems to have been based on twenty different maps. One of them has been thought to be a copy of the lost map made by Christopher Columbus, as Piri’s own annotations claim as much. The map was rediscovered by the Director of National Museums, Halil Etem Edhem (1861-1938), when the Topkapi Serail Palace in Istanbul was being converted into a museum in 1929. The map was subsequently studied by a prominent German orientalist, Paul Kalhe (1875-1964), who reported on it at the eighteenth Congress of Oriental Studies in Leiden in 1931.
What does it consist of?

It was drawn on camel skin parchment, using nine different colours of ink; it is 860 mm tall, 610 mm wide at the top (north) and 410 mm wide at the base (south). There is evidence along the top edge that another strip of parchment, which would probably have shown the British Isles, Iceland, Greenland and Newfoundland, has been lost. The eastern section of the map has also been torn away, leaving a ragged edge, although the change in width from north to south is a product of the natural shape of the skin. It is illustrated with a number of ships, most of which are Portuguese caravels, parrots (referred to as ‘tuti birds’, depicted on the island of Antilles) and mythical images. 117 place-names are shown on the map, most of which are typical of late medieval portolan charts and are easily identifiable.

All in all, the Piri Re‘is map of 1513 is easily explained. It shows no unknown lands, least of all Antarctica, and contained errors (such as Columbus’s belief that Cuba was an Asian peninsula) that ought not to have been present if it derived from extremely accurate ancient originals. It also conforms to the prevalent geographical theories of the early sixteenth century, including ideas about the necessity of balancing landmasses in the north with others in the south to prevent the earth from tipping over (just as Hapgood later hypothesised with his crustal displacement theory). Nevertheless, the map was a remarkable achievement, testimony to the skills of Piri as a cartographer and the only surviving representative of the maps made by Columbus during his first two voyages of discovery. As with so much in Bad Archaeology, it is only made mysterious by the wilful ignoring of evidence that explains its methods of composition (most importantly, the legends written by the mapmaker himself) and by making exaggerated claims about its accuracy while its manifest inaccuracy is overlooked.

Orontius Finaeus/Oronce Fine:
Orontius Finaeus/Oronce Fine

Charles Hapgood (and those derivative of him) used other maps allegedly showing Antarctica that are, at first sight, even more convincing than the Piri Re‘is map. The first of these is a product of Orontius Finaeus Delphinus (1494-1555), whom most Bad Archaeologists consistently and incorrectly refer to as Oronteus (more properly, his name was Oronce Fine or Finé, although the Latinised version seems to be in more common use, at least among the Bad Archaeologists). The map in question was published in 1531 and its supporters claim that it shows the continent at the correct scale, placing the Weddell and Ross Seas as well as Queen Maud Land, Wilkes Land and Marie Byrd Land in their correct longitudes. Again, if these claims are correct, they would display an even more remarkable knowledge of the continent than that supposedly (but demonstrably not) shown by Piri Re’is.

Although there are fairly obvious similarities between the general depiction of the southern continent by Orontius Finaeus and modern maps of Antarctica, they do not stand up to close scrutiny; indeed, there are more differences than similarities, much as one would expect from a map drawn without genuine knowledge of the southern continent! To show that Orontius’s Terra Australis corresponds to the outline of Antarctica, it was necessary for Hapgood to rotate the depiction by about twenty degrees, move the South Pole by 7½° (1,600 km) and alter the scale, as Terra Australis is 230% the size of Antarctica. Hapg

You have missed one of the best examples, Mappa Mundi, there is supposed to be only one copy of this ever found but I will tell you a story of something that happened to me a long time ago, I read about this map 20 years ago, a couple of days after finishing the book I was reading about it i was on holiday in south west England, I was visiting a lot of English Heritiage properties, large mansions etc.. on one of these visits I was wandering around and spied a tapestry dressing screen, on the screen was a perfect copy of the mappa mundi, I couldn't believe my eyes it was still fresh in my memory from the book, this was a VERY old tapestry screen and no-one I asked new anything about the mappa mundi and did not seem interested I remember being deeply upset by this at the time as this map is of huge importance and no other copies are supposed to exist, but i had found another!

here are some links Mappa mundi info

long time ago a caveman jumped onto a pterodactyl and it flew over antarctica. the caveman saw this and was in awe. When he finally got back home he drew what he saw on a wall and it was passed down the generations

S+F
Refreshing read after all the doomporn, WWIII, Global Meltdown and US crazyness.
Thanks!

"Here's where it gets crazy."

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nice thread smyleegrl
i think the amount of stars and flags say it all really
loads of smiles and S+F
good work

Originally posted by ImNotACylon
reply to post by smyleegrl

 

while I find this topic interesting, It just didn't need to be posted about for the 10,000,000th time. This is not new, nor is it unknown to pretty much anyone with even a passing interest in the odd.

Not to rain on your parade as i applaud your posting interesting information. I just would've liked it if you had checked to see that this has been posted about before, seen on TV, mentioned in books, and is pretty much tantamount to beating a dead horse.

Also, a little balanced research would've been nice as there are competing theories about these maps and their origins.
The piri reis map has always fascinated me but I'm still undecided as to what it actually shows.
It sure does look like the land under Antarctica, but that's, really, about as far as one can go with it.
"It may or may not be... but it looks like it."
There is nothing definitive about it and the fact that it DOES exists means it should. IT only "shouldn't" if it actually shows the landmass under Antarctica.
There is no proof it does, though it makes a for an interesting and compelling topic of debate.
So, again, thank you for posting this but a thorough check of ATS beforehand would've done you well.

Says the guy who registered 9 days ago.....

Great thread and while it may have been posted before, unless someone is specifically searching for this they would not have known about it...therefore not able to search for it so thank you for bringing this back to the attention it deserves. Great thread.

Good stuff and a topic I've dug into for a few years. I tend to go with a mixed-bag explanation for these maps...long ago (but not as long as believed) Antarctica wasn't covered in ice and man once lived and traveled there. A climate change happened and it froze up, time pasted and knowledge was lost or became known as legend, the few records of it that there were deteriorated and humanity just eventually forgot. Not all that hard to believe IMO.

You can fill in the details however you want, just leave aliens out of it!

BTW - Even though similar threads exist everything interesting is worth re-visiting for the sake of new members and having a fresh discussion on things without the baggage of a 100 pages of comments.

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Graham Hancock must feel very happy and thankful to ATS for sharing entire chapters of is Fingerprints of the Gods book

S&F. Well presented and I'm saving this one to read in detail including thelinks. Nice!

Originally posted by icanhearmusic
Has anyone read the book 'Finger prints of the Gods'? its a really good read and goes into detail about all of this. Ancient civilizations that had highly advanced technology and handed it onto the Egyptians Sumerians and many others, it stays away from the 'Alien intervention' story aswell. look it up people! very good read.

It is completely bogus, and Hancock has since practically admitted it.

Harte

Originally posted by Telos
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Graham Hancock must feel very happy and thankful to ATS for sharing entire chapters of is Fingerprints of the Gods book

Didn't get it from Fingerprints of the Gods, although someone did recommend that book lately and I just started reading it.

It is interesting, though, that he had a lot of the same info.

There's another book that is also interesting, called Earth's Forbidden Secrets. Its what inspired this thread, actually. You can find it online in pdf form for free if you're interested.

Originally posted by smyleegrl

Originally posted by Telos
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Graham Hancock must feel very happy and thankful to ATS for sharing entire chapters of is Fingerprints of the Gods book

Didn't get it from Fingerprints of the Gods, although someone did recommend that book lately and I just started reading it.

It is interesting, though, that he had a lot of the same info.

There's another book that is also interesting, called Earth's Forbidden Secrets. Its what inspired this thread, actually. You can find it online in pdf form for free if you're interested.

Isn't that the book that isn't finished yet? I think I recall others on here searching for the second half of that book online and not being able to find it or something.

Speaking of awesome ancient maps..!


www.abovetopsecret.com...

Very good thread,congratulations,because i liked so much

The Mercator map caught my attention because of the longitude lines.

I have a theory I'd like to put forward that explains the knowledge of accurate longitude long before the Harrison clock of 1761 was invented.

If you study the ancient peoples (like the Hawaiians and Australian Aboriginals) who remained technologically primitive, you will discover an extremely accurate clock that they used to assist in navigation over large distances.

When I say accurate, I mean accurate enough to locate a buried pot in the desert 1000 km from the starting point. They needed this clock to monitor their speed of travel in regions where landmarks weren't available.

This clock exists in every human in the form of song. Try it. Sing a song to yourself when you go for a long walk. The next time you take the walk, sing the same song and you'll be stunned at how accurately the song reflects the journey.

Using this technique, time at sea can be accurately, and reliably determined by having people sing in shifts.

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I don't know, I haven't finished the first part yet. But it's a great read.