posted on Mar, 27 2013 @ 10:58 PM
Originally posted by vethumanbeing
Jesus knew his fate; Judas was a pawn used by Jesus to fulfill prophecy; Judas was not let in on the little joke of his actual purpose. As someone
said another would have been chosen/stepped in to fill the round peg in the square hole of betrayal, maybe Thomas. So obviously the 'freewill'
arguement regarding Jesus is null, fate and destiny prevailed over the humans natural right of selfwill. Unless Jesus actually believed and
participated, was part of the planning of its own birth, there is a problem. His utterances on the cross are a large clue as to his backpeddling, his
doubts. There is the idea all things are planned before birth; no thing exists as accidental as it is all about your soul growth and what you have
planned for your next journey. This is a belief system allowing for fate and destiny and also allows for you to change it (freewill) but to an
uncertain conclusion, usually a negative outcome. You planned your parents you planned your exact insertion into this world situation.
Since Christ was the spirit of God incarnate, free will didn't apply in his case, it was actually God's will, him being God. As far as Judas, perhaps
he WAS "in on it", there are many gnostics who believe he was but that isn't shared with us. He may not have betrayed Christ at all but made a great
sacrifice for him that his plans could be carried out. Of course he could have chosen not to, then a different disciple would have been given the task
and we probably still wouldn't have known that he was "in on it".Not saying this is absolutely the case, but it is a possibility.
IN REPLY TO JACOBSLADDER
Your belief system allows that Jesus is God/spirit incarnate; are you saying that once 'in matter' that God cannot change its own mind (dueling
circumstances not foreseen?) God cannot change the rules of its own experience as a human? You are thinking IT saw all possibilities all probabilities
and knew outcomes? I would say that IT left much to the accidental occurrance (that is the true HUMAN experience) or would never have bothered with
the extensive RE-WRITING of the script. This was not well planned, yet became a blockbuster movie in spite of the false/bad unbelievable narrative.
Judas as a Gnostic; having a total understanding somewhere between accepting the silver and returning it then to hang itself in shame. I tell you
Jesus and Judas were not in league; whatever tests of fortitude occurring were behind the scenes unknown to regular movie goers of the time. Judas was
the one ultimately betrayed, not Jesus; I am sure there was some pity involved somewhere along with gullibility, betrayal, sacrificial love, and
doubt. Judas represents at least half of the equation defining the Christian Belief System; and he gets no CREDIT for his astoundingly BRAVE
participation. I know that Jesus was just as much a pawn as Judas, so although a 9D creature was just as manipulated by its Creater (not God in flesh
and bone) equally betrayed and so cancels ALL (Judas betrays his Teacher and God marginalizes its only begotten Son/Student).
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