If there is a Second Civil War will Guns be demonized in the future like slavery is now?

Okay so I got a hypothetical that I was thinking up when I was with my girlfriend the other night after watching and hearing about all the anti-gun legislation that (thankfully) did not pass. And this got me to think about what if there was a Second Civil War over taking away our Second Amendments rights, and we succeeded from the government to keep them but in the end the Federal Government won. And 200 years in the future people would be looking back in the past thinking about:

1. How could these secessionists hold onto these kinds of morally wrong beliefs?

2. Why would they fight to hold onto their “property” which caused people to get shot and maimed, and which were made to shoot and kill people and animals?

3. Didn’t they know it was morally and ethically wrong what they were doing with their “property”?

4. Why in the world would somebody fight and die to hold onto that “property”?

I brought this up because most people have almost these exact same kinds of beliefs about the South succeeding from the Union. They believe that the Civil War was entirely about slavery (which it was not). And that slavery was a brutality that was so extreme that nobody can understand why we had it in the first place.

I’ll just add in my little piece. I believe the South fought for States’ Rights and their economy which did revolve around slavery but that wasn’t the entire issue. People also didn’t like the government telling them what they could and couldn’t do, for the most case, the first time in our nation’s history. They didn’t believe that the Union should run certain aspects of its citizens lives including slavery which I am sure the South looked at as a necessary evil which they had to do something about eventually but for the Government to just come take away their “property”, that was too much.

Okay but this isn’t about Slavery during the First Civil War but is about comparing the same issue of its moralities and ethical views as being applied to firearms. If the anti-gun movement, call it extreme left liberals, DHS, socialists, etc… tried to take away our firearms and we got into a nationwide confrontation about it and the Pro-second Amendment faction of armed resistance died, do you think over the next 150 years we would come to view guns almost in the same way as we view slavery today? Where in the future people that said that the Second American Civil War was not about guns but was about our 2nd Amendment Rights and the Constitution would be regarded as right wing hicks that are just looking for an excuse because of the extreme views their great grandparents held and that the WAR was ONLY about GUNS and nothing else. And if those damned 2nd Amenders would just let go of their stupid, old fashioned, hillbilly beliefs and move on with the real world our NEW country would be so much better without them?

I’m just curious what you guys think because remember in the mid 1800’s slavery was regarded in the U.S. completely differently than it is now. And as we all know, “The winner writes the history books”.

Only if history is rewritten and all the gangs,drugs,violent thugs are taken out. In 150 years murder will be done by vaporizing people with a raygun so there is no evidence. Guns have always been demonized though, swords were demonized, pointy sticks were demonized, pointy sticks with poison on them were demonized. Demonization will be in the dictionary forever.

Slavery is wrong because it is forcing others to your will. It is abuse.

Owning guns prevents slavery. Which is why the first push for gun control in this country were against freed slaves.

If there is to be civil war over guns it will be because those who wish to enslave others must seek a way to ensure their slaves behave.

Umm...I see what you are trying to say, however you really can't compare slavery to gun ownership. Slavery was about possessing/owning another human being and was stunningly horrible in regards to human rights. Gun ownership is about owning a weapon that is not living and has no rights. Guns truly are property regardless of whether you support ownership rights or not. I fully support 2nd amendment rights, but there is absolutely no logical, reasonable or humane argument for supporting slavery.

Having said that, if somehow guns were eliminated from the planet and humanity did find a way to all get along and hold hands singing Kumbaya - then yes, we may in the future wonder why people wanted guns at all. I am however a little cynical about humanity and unfortunately can't see that day ever happening.

Originally posted by projectvxn
Owning guns prevents slavery. Which is why the first push for gun control in this country were against freed slaves.

Can ou explain that?

Because one (just one, not suggesting it is the only or main reason reason at all) of the arguments FOR the 2nd amendment, way back when it was being proposed, was that it would help suppress slave revolts!!

reply to post by Swing80s


only if the citizenry looses,if it goes cival war i see the cartels smugling guns to american citizens to make a buck and street gangs possibly getting into it for territory and extra power

Ha ha! I don't even understand how you developed the logic to compare gun ownership to slavery! Because slaves were viewed as "property" and the government wanted to take away said "property"? The two don't even have anything to do with each other. It is like saying "This bolt is like a door handle because they were both manufactured by machinery.", or "My hand is like a blanket because I can see them both."

I may get a warning for this, but were you and your girlfriend smoking anything when you developed these "deep thoughts"

reply to post by Swing80s

If there is a Second Civil War will Guns be demonized in the future like slavery is now?

Well, to begin with, slavery SHOULD be demonized now and forever.

I live in the state of Alabama and I don't know a single redneck worth his weight in ammo that doesn't cringe when it comes to this subject. We have matured as a culture here in the south and we no longer carry ancient hatreds based on race. In fact, many, if not most of our black neighbors down here share our concerns and fears of what may be coming.

This isn't to say that racism still doesn't exist. In fact, it does and it comes from both ends of the color spectrum. But overall... things have changed regardless of whether MSNBC or Fox News has the time to spare to talk about it... they are, after all, pretty busy with politics and Paris Hilton.

A second civil war... God forbid, would see blacks, whites, reds, yellows, blues, greens and purples all side by side trying to save their nation and their families... and they'd all be armed and sharing ammo.

Sorry I'm at work and like I said. THIS ISN'T ABOUT SLAVERY. I'm trying to compare the views of a nation over the course of 150-200 years using slavery as an example. It was OKAY for MOST PEOPLE back then when slavery existed.

I'm talking about how the thoughts of our nation change and evolve and how people in the US in the future (if there is a US in the future) would view guns. Would they demonize them like we demonize slavery????? That's what I'm trying to get at.

Still if we lost our 2nd amendment rights to a NEW UNION how would our ancestors view what we did or didn't do standing for or against it?

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


The appeasement to the south slave owning states is not lost on me. However gun control as a legal phenomenon was entrenched solely for the purpose of keeping blacks from owning guns. It wasn't until the early 20th century where progressive legalism expanded the role of gun control and turned it into the institution it is today.

I think the notion that is championed by Thom Hartman(the man who made the accusation behind the article you posted famous) can, by reviewing the Federalist Papers, be proven incorrect. While the militia is expressly intended to be protected by the constitution, the notion that it specifically means, as a matter of facts in relation to the intent of the founders, "slave control militias" is simply incorrect and found no where in relation to the Constitution and it's supporting arguments in the Federalist.

The 2nd Amendment was developed as a compromise between those who favored a permanent national military and those who saw standing armies as a danger to the people.

It's not like part of that isn't possible historically speaking we did have the civil war, down the road we did have japanese Amerikans being interned, then terrorism came along, and the latest one gun owners.

Their argument? Stop bad people from doing bad things to "good" people recycled for decades, and as the justification of doing what they did.

However I don't ever see a second "civil war" happening they have other means to achieve the same end.

Add into the mix Obama being painted into the public conciousness as Abraham Lincoln.. I think you are onto something, OP.

I will answer your question simply: wars are won by guys with guns. I get you are believing that the military will uniformly go with the established government, but during the civil war Union officers reigned their commissions to go fight for the South.


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