U.S. Senate Approves the Keystone Pipeline: Final Vote 62 to 37 !

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


OMG! More Bipartisanship! I just read that Democrats have joined with the Republicans

in the U.S. Senate to repeal parts of ObamaCare! The vote was 79 to 20 !

Repealing a tax on Medical Devices! The world is coming to an end!

What is going on?!!!

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by TauCetixeta

 

You know, in fairness to some... I'm with the environmentalists on one thing. I am 100% for the development of energy sources to replace Coal and Oil. When, someday, that reaches a level where it's viable? I'll be shoulder to shoulder with them demanding it BE the replacement too.

I think the disconnect comes where I see the numbers as they are today and alternatives are experimental in all but a couple examples....at best. The production from alternative is simply no where remotely close to discussing as replacements to anything. Not yet..and maybe not for a decade or more.

Until they are..ALREADY developed (and not wishfully thinking they can be..in theory..really..they can..lol) then I am 100% for the best and most effective way to recover the natural resources our nation and those of our allies are so blessed with in abundance. Oil isn't the best...but it's the among the only game in town so indeed, Drill that stuff!

edit on 23-3-2013 by Wrabbit2000 because: (no reason given)

Yes, or course. Let the Free Market decide.

In the meantime, it's live long and prosper with Oil and Natural Gas from fracking.

U.S. Energy independence is a done deal.

reply to post by TauCetixeta

U.S. Energy independence is a done deal.

You do realize that this pipeline will be carrying Canadian oil...right? The US is just giving up the land, refining it and shipping it off.

/facepalm

I get a kick out of the kicking about 'temporary jobs.'

Ya know, welfare is supposed to be a temporary situation.

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by TauCetixeta

 

U.S. Energy independence is a done deal.

You do realize that this pipeline will be carrying Canadian oil...right? The US is just giving up the land, refining it and shipping it off.

/facepalm

edit on 23-3-2013 by sheepslayer247 because: (no reason given)

Fracking is going on in many states.

The U.S. economic boom has arrived.

It's not just the Keystone Pipeline. We are surrounded by good economic news.

The Fortune 500 have never been stronger.

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by TauCetixeta

 

U.S. Energy independence is a done deal.

You do realize that this pipeline will be carrying Canadian oil...right? The US is just giving up the land, refining it and shipping it off.

/facepalm

edit on 23-3-2013 by sheepslayer247 because: (no reason given)

The Americans who are sitting without a job now ...and will get a job as this is being built across our piece of the continent...won't likely care what eventually flows through it, or where it goes. They'll just know they can pay for their grocery order with cash and not food stamps for a change. I think that's plenty to be happy about. When it's complete and has oil flowing, we can get into the finer points of adjusting just where and how much ..if needed.

I don't see Canada as any adversary on things like that though. However our individual Governments may hit rock bottom at times? America and Canada are like peas in a pod. After all, we're kinda stuck with each other. lol..

If I remember correctly, the State Department released a Study a few weeks ago (maybe a month...I dunno ), that pretty much said that the Keystone XL Pipeline would have "No significant Environmental impact"

So really, the only thing holding the project back was the Environmental issues, and now that it has bee addressed, there's no point in stalling it any longer.

I say let them build the damn thing. Really no need to fight this when it leaks and poisons the water supply it'll be the backwards thinking bible thumpers we need to get rid of anyway.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


I see Canada and the USA as 2 strongest nations on Earth.

Canada has passed smart reforms.

The U.S. Federal Budget Deficit is............steadily decreasing!

It can be viewed by us all at U.S.Debt Clock.org

The Sequester is at the top. That did the trick.

The countries in Europe are winding down and falling into recessions.

The UK just entered a triple dip recession.

France is telling the world they are out of money!

The PIGS are dragging the European Union down into a large pit.

Portugal

Italy

Greece

Spain

Originally posted by KeliOnyx
I say let them build the damn thing. Really no need to fight this when it leaks and poisons the water supply it'll be the backwards thinking bible thumpers we need to get rid of anyway.

We have the technology and means to fix any leaks.

We are not going to just stand there and watch it spill all over the place.

If we fix the leak, then we make more money.

Long Live Free Market Capitalism !

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


According to the deal struck by Transcanada and the US unions (Teamsters and AFL-CIO), they expect to create 7,000,000 job hours and 13,000 jobs.

Do the math:

7,000,000 hours divided by 13,000 = 538 hours of work per job

538 hours divided by a 40 hour work week = 13.5 weeks of work.

13.5 weeks of work for the regular Joe while the unions, politicians and Transcanada make out like thieves.

Plus, after the contract is up Transcanada can bring in their own crews because there is no guarantee the upkeep and maintenance will be done by American workers.

Add on top of that the fact that Transcanada is only required to take out a $200 million insurance policy to pay for any environmental impact it may have, but $200 million cannot recover the loss we will experience if some of the best groundwater and farmland in the country is ruined.

Originally posted by Dustofenese
If I remember correctly, the State Department released a Study a few weeks ago (maybe a month...I dunno ), that pretty much said that the Keystone XL Pipeline would have "No significant Environmental impact"

So really, the only thing holding the project back was the Environmental issues, and now that it has bee addressed, there's no point in stalling it any longer.

The USA GDP could grow at 4% this year. Other sectors are also on the move.

Approve the Keystone Pipeline and surge forward !

No wonder the Dow is at 14,500.

The US Economy is high speed locomotive that can't be stopped.

We have the magic formula.

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

According to the deal struck by Transcanada and the US unions (Teamsters and AFL-CIO), they expect to create 7,000,000 job hours and 13,000 jobs.

Do the math:

7,000,000 hours divided by 13,000 = 538 hours of work per job

538 hours divided by a 40 hour work week = 13.5 weeks of work.

13.5 weeks of work for the regular Joe while the unions, politicians and Transcanada make out like thieves.

Plus, after the contract is up Transcanada can bring in their own crews because there is no guarantee the upkeep and maintenance will be done by American workers.

Add on top of that the fact that Transcanada is only required to take out a $200 million insurance policy to pay for any environmental impact it may have, but $200 million cannot recover the loss we will experience if some of the best groundwater and farmland in the country is ruined.

IF groundwater and farmland is ruined?

Your worst case scenario will not come true.

Just get over it. We are moving forward.

Your thinking is a recipe for paralysis.

Originally posted by TauCetixeta

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

According to the deal struck by Transcanada and the US unions (Teamsters and AFL-CIO), they expect to create 7,000,000 job hours and 13,000 jobs.

Do the math:

7,000,000 hours divided by 13,000 = 538 hours of work per job

538 hours divided by a 40 hour work week = 13.5 weeks of work.

13.5 weeks of work for the regular Joe while the unions, politicians and Transcanada make out like thieves.

Plus, after the contract is up Transcanada can bring in their own crews because there is no guarantee the upkeep and maintenance will be done by American workers.

Add on top of that the fact that Transcanada is only required to take out a $200 million insurance policy to pay for any environmental impact it may have, but $200 million cannot recover the loss we will experience if some of the best groundwater and farmland in the country is ruined.

IF groundwater and farmland is ruined?

Your worst case scenario will not come true.

Just get over it. We are moving forward.

Your thinking is a recipe for paralysis.

Transcanada themselves has stated, and done a study, on how many spills they expect.

Although the Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration (PHMSA) has standard baseline incident frequencies to estimate the number of spills, TransCanada altered these assumptions based on improved pipeline design, operation, and safety.[39] Whether these adjustments are justified is debatable as these assumptions resulted in a nearly 10-fold decrease in spill estimates.[38] Given that the pipeline crosses 247 miles of the Ogallala Aquifer,[40] or 14.5% of the entire pipeline length, and the 50-year life of the entire pipeline is expected to have between 11 – 91 spills,[38] approximately 1.6 – 13.2 spills can be expected to occur over the aquifer. An estimate of 13.2 spills over the aquifer, each lasting 14 days, results in 184 days of potential exposure over the 50 year lifetime of the pipeline. In the reduced scope ‘worst case exposure scenario,’ the volume of a pinhole leak at 1.5% of max flow-rate for 14 days has been estimated at 189,000 barrels or 7.9 million gallons of oil

Even if we believe their estimate, oil will be spilled and the land effected....something that Nebraskans are very concerned about but the politicians pushed ahead anyway.

Source

reply to post by sheepslayer247


Instead of daydreaming about future spills and disasters, we will move forward and

grow the economy. It appears that 17 Democrat U.S. Senators agree with me.

Originally posted by TauCetixeta
reply to post by sheepslayer247

 

Instead of daydreaming about future spills and disasters, we will move forward and

grow the economy. It appears that 17 Democrat U.S. Senators agree with me.

Nice way to avoid the issue and blow-off the concerns of people in Nebraska! In the end, this is not really about environmental impact, but about the political process' behind it that circumvented the rights of the people.

This reminds me of something an old member once said to me "national security trumps individual freedom". It looks as though national politics now trumps individual rights.

I miss my old friend Eurisko2012. As a matter of fact, you both have similar writing styles and a tendancy to avoid the real issue.....hmmm?

Originally posted by CommanderCraCra
reply to post by TauCetixeta

 

Not only do I hold no party affiliations, I stick to the science.

Time will out the truth.

It matters oh so little what you or I believe about the topic.

Nature cares not for our judgments, beliefs, and opinions.

edit on 23-3-2013 by CommanderCraCra because: (no reason given)

I agree, natural gas may be profitable but this is not a long term solution for our energy problems. Self sufficiency is key, not self sufficient as in drilling the sh#t out of your own country and thinking that you're energy independent. Fracking is not problem free and may be linked to sinkholes and groundwater contamination.

Yeah!!! More jobs!!! Murica is saved!!

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Natural gas is working well in Canada also.

Siemens just built a new Gas Turbine Power Plant up there. 680 MW

reply to post by sheepslayer247

I appreciate your opposing points here...but efforts to make me feel the least bad about this moving forward simply won't succeed.

Oil IS the lifeblood we travel on (as does the WORLD at this point in human history) and we need it. For the better part of 100 years now, we've had pipelines and those pipelines carry that very substance we're talking about. Some are MUCH more complex and sophisticated for routing and junctions than this one is proposed to be, and they function just fine.

Sure, spillage occurs. It's also cleaned up. I've known enough folks in my life who worked, directly, in the oil fields to laugh at most of the scare arguments used by those who never have been near or around the work...or even those who do it.

The idea that this will be some big gloom and doom is absurd and silly.

The DOOM is the unemployment rates sitting at levels so painful, we're damn near crying uncle in many areas of the nation. The DOOM is watching gas prices climb and climb without apparent end in a nation ENTIRELY DESIGNED for long distance road networks to function properly.

So..in this environment? (no pun intended), I'll take jobs ..EVEN TEMPORARY ONES...to no work, no hope and basically, no reason to HAVE hope that so many are currently facing outside Government supplied handouts at the basic sustenance level.

You may cause others to feel bad..or reconsider their positions about being 150% FOR the Keystone Pipeline..but I'm not among them. It wasn't a bad effort though.

I'm tired of socialists using ecology as an excuse to stay on unemployment and welfare.