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Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by TauCetixeta
You know, in fairness to some... I'm with the environmentalists on one thing. I am 100% for the development of energy sources to replace Coal and Oil. When, someday, that reaches a level where it's viable? I'll be shoulder to shoulder with them demanding it BE the replacement too.
I think the disconnect comes where I see the numbers as they are today and alternatives are experimental in all but a couple examples....at best. The production from alternative is simply no where remotely close to discussing as replacements to anything. Not yet..and maybe not for a decade or more.
Until they are..ALREADY developed (and not wishfully thinking they can be..in theory..really..they can..lol) then I am 100% for the best and most effective way to recover the natural resources our nation and those of our allies are so blessed with in abundance. Oil isn't the best...but it's the among the only game in town so indeed, Drill that stuff!
edit on 23-3-2013 by Wrabbit2000 because: (no reason given)
U.S. Energy independence is a done deal.
Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by TauCetixeta
U.S. Energy independence is a done deal.
You do realize that this pipeline will be carrying Canadian oil...right? The US is just giving up the land, refining it and shipping it off.
/facepalmedit on 23-3-2013 by sheepslayer247 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by TauCetixeta
U.S. Energy independence is a done deal.
You do realize that this pipeline will be carrying Canadian oil...right? The US is just giving up the land, refining it and shipping it off.
/facepalmedit on 23-3-2013 by sheepslayer247 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by KeliOnyx
I say let them build the damn thing. Really no need to fight this when it leaks and poisons the water supply it'll be the backwards thinking bible thumpers we need to get rid of anyway.
Originally posted by Dustofenese
If I remember correctly, the State Department released a Study a few weeks ago (maybe a month...I dunno ), that pretty much said that the Keystone XL Pipeline would have "No significant Environmental impact"
So really, the only thing holding the project back was the Environmental issues, and now that it has bee addressed, there's no point in stalling it any longer.
Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by Wrabbit2000
According to the deal struck by Transcanada and the US unions (Teamsters and AFL-CIO), they expect to create 7,000,000 job hours and 13,000 jobs.
Do the math:
7,000,000 hours divided by 13,000 = 538 hours of work per job
538 hours divided by a 40 hour work week = 13.5 weeks of work.
13.5 weeks of work for the regular Joe while the unions, politicians and Transcanada make out like thieves.
Plus, after the contract is up Transcanada can bring in their own crews because there is no guarantee the upkeep and maintenance will be done by American workers.
Add on top of that the fact that Transcanada is only required to take out a $200 million insurance policy to pay for any environmental impact it may have, but $200 million cannot recover the loss we will experience if some of the best groundwater and farmland in the country is ruined.
Originally posted by TauCetixeta
Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by Wrabbit2000
According to the deal struck by Transcanada and the US unions (Teamsters and AFL-CIO), they expect to create 7,000,000 job hours and 13,000 jobs.
Do the math:
7,000,000 hours divided by 13,000 = 538 hours of work per job
538 hours divided by a 40 hour work week = 13.5 weeks of work.
13.5 weeks of work for the regular Joe while the unions, politicians and Transcanada make out like thieves.
Plus, after the contract is up Transcanada can bring in their own crews because there is no guarantee the upkeep and maintenance will be done by American workers.
Add on top of that the fact that Transcanada is only required to take out a $200 million insurance policy to pay for any environmental impact it may have, but $200 million cannot recover the loss we will experience if some of the best groundwater and farmland in the country is ruined.
IF groundwater and farmland is ruined?
Your worst case scenario will not come true.
Just get over it. We are moving forward.
Your thinking is a recipe for paralysis.
Although the Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration (PHMSA) has standard baseline incident frequencies to estimate the number of spills, TransCanada altered these assumptions based on improved pipeline design, operation, and safety.[39] Whether these adjustments are justified is debatable as these assumptions resulted in a nearly 10-fold decrease in spill estimates.[38] Given that the pipeline crosses 247 miles of the Ogallala Aquifer,[40] or 14.5% of the entire pipeline length, and the 50-year life of the entire pipeline is expected to have between 11 – 91 spills,[38] approximately 1.6 – 13.2 spills can be expected to occur over the aquifer. An estimate of 13.2 spills over the aquifer, each lasting 14 days, results in 184 days of potential exposure over the 50 year lifetime of the pipeline. In the reduced scope ‘worst case exposure scenario,’ the volume of a pinhole leak at 1.5% of max flow-rate for 14 days has been estimated at 189,000 barrels or 7.9 million gallons of oil
Originally posted by TauCetixeta
reply to post by sheepslayer247
Instead of daydreaming about future spills and disasters, we will move forward and
grow the economy. It appears that 17 Democrat U.S. Senators agree with me.
Originally posted by CommanderCraCra
reply to post by TauCetixeta
Not only do I hold no party affiliations, I stick to the science.
Time will out the truth.
It matters oh so little what you or I believe about the topic.
Nature cares not for our judgments, beliefs, and opinions.edit on 23-3-2013 by CommanderCraCra because: (no reason given)