reply to post by marg6043
Picky stuff first:
My believes about the politicians I call whores are the believes that have taken me 52 years and 6 presidents
I count 10 Presidents in the last 52 years. 11 if you were born before January 20. I have been alive 62 years and seen 1 President go, 10 come and go,
and 1 come - 12 altogether.
Thanks for the "lesson" in constitutional law and I while appreciate your knowledge and your "inside" in the subject but I will keep my opinion as
it is right now as an America citizen living in the US, a voter and tax payer.
I too am an American citizen, a voter, and a tax payer. I happen to live in Australia at the moment. I don't have inside knowledge, I have the
ability to read and understand what I am reading. I learned about the Constitution in school in the United States back when they used to teach that
stuff. I was under the impression that they still taught it when you would have been in school too. Perhaps I am wrong about that.
I love my constitution and the rights it gives me and my fellow countrymen, but I dislike the way our political system has fallen in the hands of
crocks, corruption and private foreign and domestic interest.
And now the more 'heavy' stuff.
And no an arms treaty, is never going to fly with the US private interest in the arms dealing agendas US already have with foreign nations be legal
That is possibly true. The arms dealers have their arms so far up the backsides of politicians that it will be very hard to get this done properly.
Sadly any "treaty" have the potential to conflict with the US constitutional rights to arms, because the wording of such treaties is no define
enough to protect such rights that is why US can not and should not be part of such treaties,
But you go off the rails there, because, as you said earlier, the Constitution superior to any treaty. It doesn't matter how the treaty is worded, it
CANNOT get around the fact the Constitution is the supreme law of the land and the treaty is not.
so that is why I say that any politicians that can vote in treaties that do not define or can possible infringe in the US Constitution should never be
passed and I call them whores as many of the politicians in this nation never gets to read the laws that most of them pass
That is a bit of a word salad there, and I'm not 100% confident that I know exactly what you think you said. But if I interpret you correctly, you
are saying that the politician that voted against this bill are whores because by voting against it they were attacking the Constitution. This is the
error I am trying to correct.
Remember that this was not a bill to ratify the treaty. It was a bill to stop negotiating the treaty. You accuse the Senators of not reading the bills
they vote on, but you haven't made any attempt to understand what is at stake either, you are just parroting what you have heard. Knee jerk reactions
are seldom effective.
In fact, by voting against this 'stop negotiating' bill, those Senators were voting to UPHOLD the Separation of Powers as designed into the
Constitution. You have got it backwards, and you have it backwards because...
And that is the end of the story, beside the NRA-opposed arms trade treaty as it is right now due to posible conflicts with our laws.
Exactly. The NRA is lying to you. Its what they do and they are good at it. They have been doing it ever since the coup 30 years ago that transformed
them from a Hunters lobby group into a Gun Manufacturers lobby group.
They are lying to you when they told you it was a bill that would stop the treaty. It won't.
They are lying to you when they tell you the treaty can override the Constitution. It can't.
It is really just that simple. The NRA and the Arms Manufacturers OWN those Senators that voted for that unconstitutional bill the other day. The
Senators that voted FOR the bill are the ones who are the anti-constitutional whores.