In your lengthy two day career here at ATS, you haven't noticed that there are already about three million anti-Catholic threads? Or did you just
feel the need to add another?
Depravity of the Vatican
Pope Alexander VI
Pope John XII
Pope Urban VI
Pope Paul III
Pope Paul IV
Lies, sex and pedophilia
 And they brought the colt to Jesus;
and they lay their garments
and he sat
 And many spread their garments
in the way:
cut down boughs from the trees, and strewed them in the way.
 And they
that went before
and they that followed,
blessed is he
in the name of the Lord.
be the kingdom of our father David
Originally posted by ParovStelar
reply to post by adjensen
Yes I have noticed and read some of them, I thought I would participate further more. If I offended you, I am deeply sorry.
Originally posted by facelift
Good stuff OP...cracking through the thick layer of ignorance utilized as a proverbial shield by those < can be daunting. Keep on keepin'...
15 But Jeshurun waxed fat, and kicked: thou art waxen fat, thou art grown thick, thou art covered with fatness; then he forsook God which made him, and lightly esteemed the Rock of his salvation.
16 They provoked him to jealousy with strange gods, with abominations provoked they him to anger.
17 They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not.
18 Of the Rock that begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee. 19 And when the Lord saw it, he abhorred them, because of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters.
20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.
What the OP has presented is only the tip of the iceberg.I'm sure you're right. Besides bad Popes, ther have have been bad Cardinals, Bishops, Priests, and lay Catholics. You can't even guess how bad my heart is. If I may repeat an old quote, "The Church isn't a museum for Saints, it's a hospital for sinners."
All the good things that good Catholic Christians, and everyone else for that matter, do and should be doing are shadowed by the evil at the core of the foundations on which church built itself up.Here I'm confused. The Church was built on Jesus, Peter, the other Apostles, the Martyrs, and the Bible. Where is the "evil" that you're speaking of?
And, for most of those past 2000 years the Catholic church enjoyed a cloak of secrecy and hid the evil that resided at the Vatican behind the ineffable and infallible mystique of being God's representative on earth as an unbroken holy line of men appointed to be "the rock" by Jesus himself.Secrecy? What tremendous secrets have been hidden? Luther announced that the Church needed reform in many ways, and many agreed. The Church is always under critical scrutiny by the world. If there was an "evil at the core of the foundations." Surely it would have been made public by now, I must have missed it.
Originally posted by windword
What the OP has presented is only the tip of the iceberg.
And, for most of those past 2000 years the Catholic church enjoyed a cloak of secrecy and hid the evil that resided at the Vatican behind the ineffable and infallible mystique of being God's representative on earth as an unbroken holy line of men appointed to be "the rock" by Jesus himself.
they have lost their right to claim to be the earthly representation of "Christ."I'm not sure that's the claim. I don't know of any Christian, Catholic or otherwise, who claims to be a good representation of Christ on Earth. Great goal, but rarely if ever, achieved.
Originally posted by charles1952
reply to post by ParovStelar
But the Church itself is not bad, why not take a look into it?
Originally posted by charles1952
reply to post by windword
"Blood thirsty monster?" Doesn't that seem a bit harsh? I suppose you'd remind us of the Crusades, and the Inquisition, but those can be debated as to whether they were "blood thirsty" or religiously driven. But besides those, what massive killings, supported by the Church and her teachings, were there?