I predict that one of Obama's cyberwarriors will post here very soon.
They will say that Obamacare doesn't take effect for a while and that this is (of course) , George W Bush's fault.

This is bull. I'll stop paying my already expensive premiums, and start saving that money instead. I'll pay cash up front for any doctor visits, etc from now on. We never go to doctors as it is. We eat a very strict organic diet. That is far better at keeping the doctor away than anything else.

Can someone enlighten me please????

Our family (4) has Blue Cross Basic through the VA (veterans affairs) will our premiums increase too? Im totally confused by all this....

Not true. Just a bunch of right wing propaganda. After all the anointed one said our health insurance and health care costs would drop under his plan. And he is the best thing since sliced bread right? NO way he was fibbing.

Originally posted by texas thinker
Not true. Just a bunch of right wing propaganda. After all the anointed one said our health insurance and health care costs would drop under his plan. And he is the best thing since sliced bread right? NO way he was fibbing.

Just wondering how this all happened?

So many Americans didn't want Obama in again...So much of the World warned the US about Obama. And yet...here he is.

Just like Bush he stole the election. Had to steal it or else he wouldn't have stood a chance. And yet...here he is.

So many people warned against Obamacare. The name itself lends to the ego and power tripping of this warmongering, constitution destroying thief. Isn't this where they announce how much of your tas returns they'll steal to pay for the insurance if you don't pay for it willingly? Isn't this where more employers cut back and the average family income shrinks again?

And yet...?

Nothing left to do but see how much power the people have left and get him out of that office. And if you can't? Well then, the answer is clear isn't it?

If the people can't get anything from their President to actually help them and don't have the power to unseat him, what is he in reality? Dictator comes to mind.

So many don't want him so why is he still here?

Peace

Our US government routinely rely on hoaxes to sell their agendas to an otherwise reluctant public.
The Romans accepted the Emperors and the Germans accepted Hitler not because they wanted to, but because the carefully crafted illusions of threat appeared to leave no other choice.

Our government too uses hoaxes to create the illusion that We The People have no choice but the direction the government wishes us to go in.
Once lost, the Romans never got their Republic back. Once lost, the Germans never got their Republic back. In both cases, the nation had to totally collapse before freedom was restored to the people.

Remember that when Crassus tells you that Spartacus approaches.

Remember that when thugs in the streets act in a manner clearly designed to provoke the public fear.

Remember that when the Reichstag burns down.

Remember that when the President lies to you about weapons of mass destruction.
Obama care we just wont have any choice.......Hoaxe

It really makes me wonder what the justification for price increases is while companies make record profits. When gas was averaging $4.00/gallon a few years ago the oil industry was seeing hundreds of billions in profit while claiming expected shortages that never came. Now the health insurance industry is leading the S&P 500 for the first time in 15 years while claiming a need for rate hikes. The stock market is doing better than it's ever done, ever. The rest of America is still suffering from the effects of Wall St.'s financial meltdown four years ago.

What these insurance companies are doing is a scare tactic to better position themselves to escape provisions of the law meant to reign in these absurd practices.

Originally posted by bjax9er
ten years from now you will be begging for those big bad insurance companies.

I find that highly unlikely.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
The argument from your OP and the source of your OP (from none other than conservative Heritage) is predicting significant premium increases, and the sole blame laid is sourced from assumptions about Obama's healthcare law. But we know from data collected over the years, from research, that healthcare companies have been increasing their premiums significantly since well before Obama's healthcare law. This is a fact. Your source is wrong.

Where does it say anything about healthcare costs not increasing the last few decades? As I said costs have been going up at nearly a 9% clip for 30 years, but now we are talking about them going up 40-50% on average in one year. Do you really not see the difference?

What do you mean Obama's healthcare law was supposed to fix the healthcare system? This law has yet to fully impact the system, we're yet to see any real effects. The law was signed in March 23 2010 and the major provisions of the bill have only really come into effective over the last few months. Your source is even predicting that this healthcare law will dramatically impact on premiums (as if these premiums have not been going up already). So why are you jumping the gun?

Ok, so your going to go with that huh, every insurance company is warning rates are about to skyrocket, scores of workers are being forced part time, and you are going with, it hasn't happened yet, they may be bluffing? So let me get this straight your theory is the insurance companies are just using Obamacare as an excuse to gouge? It couldn't be that millions more have to be covered by the same people paying for insurance now and as a result their cost is going up accordingly, nah that's simple economics that can't be it.

This was supposed to be dramatic healthcare reform - but it isn't. It's the same damn system with more bureaucracy, and requirements for everyone to be covered with mandated minimum coverage. It accomplishes absolutely nothing when it comes to trying to reduce costs which would be insanely easy to do. Our system costs double per capita of just about any other 1st world countries system, that is inexcusable.

You first say that you believe our system prior to this law was broken as well, but then you claim that supporters of this law are just idiots looking for a free hand out in the way of healthcare. I'm now curious what your own solution is? Because if you're of the opinion that we should just leave healthcare corporations to do what they please in the market and continue to ration out certain groups to drive up demand and profit, then clearly you didn't have an issue with the way the system was before.

What I was trying to say is most people supporting Obamacare are far - far more concerned about everyone getting coverage than they are about how we are going to afford it, or how the system can be made more efficient. Anyone who has any clue how unsustainable our system is, should realize that if things stay as they are the government won't be able to supply anyone with reasonable coverage in a few short years.

My biggest problem with Obamacare is if you are going to go to a socialist system then go all the way. Instead Obama and the rest of our politicians were more concerned about getting campaign contributions from big pharma, and the medical lobby than actually doing anything that would approach real reform. I'm not really opposed to a socialist system as long as we have the ability to opt out and pay for who we choose if we can afford to. God knows it would be far better than this disaster of a system we have now.

As far as solutions here are a few really easy things that could be done that would make a dramatic difference in costs.
1. Require all doctors and hospitals to list their costs for procedures ahead of time.
2. Require that everyone pays the same rate, that isn't medicare/medicaid. No more haggling BS or special treatment, everyone should pay the same.
3. Put a cap on malpractice - this will have a much larger effect than you might think, because much of the testing done now is not needed but is done just in case the doctor gets sued, he can say look I was really thorough.
4. Allow importation of pharmaceuticals from anywhere - there is no reason the US has to pay for all the worlds drug development costs, we have more than paid our fair share, we deserve to have the same costs as anyone else.
5. Allow private clinics to offer their own insurance - this has proven to be far cheaper because all the middleman get cut out.
6. Only pay for the lowest cost equivalent treatment, the way the system is now if there are two equivalent hip replacements the doctor gets to choose which one he wants to use even if it costs double, and yet he gets paid the full amount. Funny thing is these doctors are getting kickbacks from the hip replacement manufacturers.

Solutions?

Pay the government fine. It'll be cheaper.

Also, find a black market health Co-op. They exist. Doctors and nurses getting together to provide care because they want to and not following moronic government dictates. It's cheaper, quicker, and you won't have some damned bean-counter determining your healthcare needs.

Via La Revalutione'!

Originally posted by texas thinker
Not true. Just a bunch of right wing propaganda. After all the anointed one said our health insurance and health care costs would drop under his plan. And he is the best thing since sliced bread right? NO way he was fibbing.

Very correct n stuff. Don't let those liberty-drunk Conservatives fool you!!! The moat glorious perfect one clearly said our premiums would drop a minimum of 2,500 dollars. And that this would only cost 900 billion over ten years. All those fuzzy-math numbers are Conservative hoopla and shenanigans!!!

Anyone who says otherwise is clearly a racist.

Originally posted by links234

Originally posted by bjax9er
ten years from now you will be begging for those big bad insurance companies.

I find that highly unlikely.

Oh me too.

It's only take a year or two.

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