Out of the Mouths of CPAC

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posted on Mar, 21 2013 @ 08:58 PM
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I was disappointed to not hear anything about the recent CPAC event in Washington from ATS legion of 'conservatives' (I use the term loosely). I would have thought that they would be touting the wonders of the conservative world view and how they are going to save the world.

Something about an autopsy????

But then, I happened to hear a clip of Chris Matthews Hardball discussing some issues raised at the recent CPAC shindig. How the Republican's are trying to remessage in order to recruit young people, women, minorites, gays, immigrants while maintaining their intransigent stands on Civil Liberties and so forth. Seems they can't SELL their Big Business platform to these groups. Hmm interesting:

Here's the link to the video clip I heard on the Radio:

www.nbcnews.com...

Then I found this - from a conservative commentary site:

www.commentarymagazine.com...

and a short quote:




I don’t doubt that Mr. Trump will be popular with the crowd, since clown acts often are. Just for the record, though: Trump has advocated a single-payer health care system (which even ObamaCare doesn’t give us), called for massive tax increases, favored abortion rights, and revealed himself to be hyper-protectionist. Trump has also donated more money to Democrats than Republicans in recent years and was a registered Democrat from 2001 to 2008, when the Democratic Party was dominated by liberals. On top of that, Mr. Trump is vulgar, shallow, narcissistic, buffoonish, and has a fondness for conspiracy theories.


Then back to Randi Rhodes (who I think it truly obnoxious - but bright):




At CPAC, Michele Bachmann gave a fact-free speech attacking Obama for the “lifestyle of excess” he supposedly lives at taxpayer’s expense. Bachmann claims that Obama’s lifestyle costs $1.4 billion a year to maintain. For the record, the Bush White House cost about $1.6 billion per year to maintain. Who knew that bicycle maintenance was so expensive? So the Bush White House cost $200 million more per year to run than the figure Bachmann cites for Obama—and George wasn’t even at the White House most of the time.

Read more: www.randirhodes.com...


I'd like to hear some CALM responses to this one. Do conservative really not see the inconsistancy of their 'platform' and wanting to sign up more members? Is this were the GRAND OLE PARTY gets laughed out of existance?

You those who will respond with "The dems are not better" - I don't think the are. They are at least (in most cases) aware of their hypocracy.

So how are all you conservative out there going to save your ideology? Build a new party? Well?? What are you going to do about this pitiful state of affairs.




posted on Mar, 21 2013 @ 09:54 PM
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I don't care to belong to any club that would have me as a member.
any club.

Individuals are smart...'people' are stupid.



posted on Mar, 21 2013 @ 10:08 PM
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You have the old guard conservatives who sip the GOP kool-aid, they are a dieing breed.

Then you have the new conservatives, who are fed up with the GOP, fed up with just about everything of the two party system. The Republican Party has stopped representing conservatives years ago.



posted on Mar, 22 2013 @ 12:30 AM
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first, chris mathews is a slobbering moron, with an iq of about 3, and that might be too generous.

cpac was originally set up in spite of the GOP, because the GOP was moving away from conservative principals, like liberty, constitution, and the free market.
over the years the GOP has hijacked cpac, claiming it as their own.
masquerading around as if they were conservatives.

over the last 5 years, conservatives have started paying closer attention to these actors, who claim to be conservatives, but are actually just progressive wimps.
we don't get excited about cpac because we have seen it all before.
we have seen it for what it has become, a farce.

though i do believe this years cpac was a lot more conservative than the previous years.
and a lot of the big name GOPers were not invited. i still can't get excited because there were still several GOP old bulls that were invited. like jeb bush.
NOBODY WANTS ANOTHER BUSH. NOBODY!!

as far as the "autopsy" thing goes, that was all reince pribus and the GOP pandering for votes.
in fact we real conservative laugh at that. not because we don't care about those "groups", but because we don't believe that wins over the hearts and minds of the people. and we don't believe pandering spreads conservative principals.

if you pay attention to conservative media at all, (not fox news) you would see that real conservatives have been relentlessly bashing the old bull GOPers for the last 5 months.

the GOP is scared to death of the up and coming young conservatives, they feel the heat, and thats why you have people like john mc lame out there calling conservatives names and trashing anyone who goes against the grain. thats why you have the autopsy thing, and the pandering because they know their power is fleeing.

yes, the GOP is on the edge of extinction.
will their be a new party, who knows at this point.

the marxists
i mean the democrats, will destroy themselves, they always do.



posted on Mar, 22 2013 @ 10:09 AM
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So Blaxer -- what you learned from defeat was that the conservatives need to double down on being conservative. Please Please keep thinking like that. It makes wining for us progressives so much easier.



posted on Mar, 22 2013 @ 12:48 PM
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Originally posted by spyder550
So Blaxer -- what you learned from defeat was that the conservatives need to double down on being conservative. Please Please keep thinking like that. It makes wining for us progressives so much easier.


is that what marxist progressives care about, wining?
power?
control?

real conservatives won overwhelmingly in the last election.
but i wouldn't expect a marxist to be able to identify a conservative.

yes keep thinking like a 2 bit dictator, it makes our goal more achievable.

like i said, marxists will destroy themselves, they always do.
why? because they are dumb...

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posted on Mar, 22 2013 @ 05:04 PM
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Originally posted by spyder550
So Blaxer -- what you learned from defeat was that the conservatives need to double down on being conservative. Please Please keep thinking like that. It makes wining for us progressives so much easier.


and what a great job you "progressives" have been doing......



posted on Mar, 22 2013 @ 07:24 PM
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Actually and in spite of the right - we have been doing a pretty good job -- things are pretty dark inside you bubble.



posted on Mar, 22 2013 @ 10:31 PM
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Originally posted by bjax9er
first, chris mathews is a slobbering moron, with an iq of about 3, and that might be too generous.



Is it the Real conservative way? To start any discussion with an attack? Real example of IQ there.

You will not influence any one starting this way.

And just how do you define a Real conservative? You'd call an Eisenhower conservative Progressive? (**** he's was more progressive then most democrates these days)

And who are these uber conservatives that are coming up now, those that the old guard are afraid of?

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posted on Mar, 23 2013 @ 12:14 AM
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I am a registered Republican and consider myself a conservative libertarian.

Funny thing is though, I am absolutely disgusted and sickened by those who call themselves conservatives these days and more often than not I get along much better with my liberal minded and left leaning friends.

Possibly because I am more socially liberal. I fully support gay marriage (equal rights) and women's rights (pro-choice). I hate the way "conservatives" act and believe they've done a great disservice to our country and political discourse. Don't get me wrong, I see many liberals and Democrats who make me puke in my mouth a little bit, but for some reason I just see the mainstream right as completely and utterly fascist and hypocritical.

But that's really just politics for you. They demonize "liberals" and "progressives" and "socialism", turning these political terms into dirty words. So simple minded. Anyone who generalizes such as that is an idiot with an agenda in my book. They claim to want government out of our lives and a return to Constitutionality yet want to legislate morality and increase the warfare state. They claim the Democrats are extremely racist as if that somehow negates their racism and bigotry against minorities, people of different sexual orientation, and the less fortunate.

And many of the "conservatives" I hear now a days bashing the GOP establishment, are the establishment themselves. Talk radio hosts like Mark Levin and Michael Savage and Rush boil my blood. They are opinionated gas bags and people take their opinions as gospel. And speaking of gospel, do not get me started on the Evangelical Right.. Those people (not all of them, of course, but the leaders of said movement who end up speaking FOR the movement and becoming their ideological leaders) are the most twisted and intolerant people I think I've ever had the displeasure of being subject to. Fascist is just the word that comes to mind, for me.

Based on my views, I take a lot of heat from ideologues on both sides of the political spectrum. I believe in government, as long as it's a small and efficient government. I also feel that we need a return to well managed communities and local government that form a check on the federal government. Basically I'd like to see the Constitution followed to a T, I'd like to see money taken out of politics so we have government that truly represents the people and can keep large monied interests in line while giving the public a say in how businesses are run in their states and cities.

The new "leaders" of the conservative movement TALK a good game.. People like Allen West, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, and other Tea Party darlings... But that's the point and what I try and educate my family and friends on - Don't listen to the rhetoric of these politicians or the President, instead look at their ACTIONS. They hardly ever correspond and yet that's what people trust these idiots on - their word. Their actions tell a completely different story. 99% of the time they are liars and hypocrites. They want just as much control, if not more, over your mind and body as the scary "Libs" they profess to do battle with.

Having said all that, I did not watch CPAC nor do I watch or listen to these professional actors anymore because I know their game and I'm sick and tired of it. We truly need an overhaul of our political system because every one of them, regardless of party, is beholden to the corporate and/or banking interests and do not represent the people. It's time for us to have a say again... Unfortunately for us those wielding the power are deathly afraid of that because they know it would mean the fiery crash and burn of their gravy train.

We need a return to true American ideals. Politicians and pundits throw around all these words like democracy and liberty but none of them know the true meaning of such things and certainly do not have the courage to truly and courageously defend and implement them.

Although they do their best to keep us fighting, distracted, dumbed down, and drugged up, for some reason I still have an immense optimism for our nation and our people, though I'm certainly not disillusioned to the fact we are in a heap of trouble and have much to accomplish before we're even back on track and facing the right direction again, let alone fixing all of our problems and insuring they never, ever happen again.
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posted on Mar, 23 2013 @ 01:07 AM
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Originally posted by PatriotGames2
I am a registered Republican and consider myself a conservative libertarian.


Now that does sound like a reasoned conservative to be. I know we'd disagree on many specifics but overall the direction of improving circumstances for the most people seems to be held in common.

You post is greatly appreciated - it's so tiresome to have to listen to non-sense from the right. Thank you.



posted on Mar, 23 2013 @ 12:29 PM
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Rand Paul and Ted Cruz r the only few real conservatives that was at cpac. The mainstream GOP like bush n Chris Christie are more progressive borderline liberal. It's control opposition The elites put their people on both sides of the spectrum as a false illusion.



posted on Mar, 23 2013 @ 12:55 PM
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Originally posted by amfirst1
Rand Paul and Ted Cruz r the only few real conservatives that was at cpac. The mainstream GOP like bush n Chris Christie are more progressive borderline liberal. It's control opposition The elites put their people on both sides of the spectrum as a false illusion.


Will you share your definition of Real conservative please. If Bush (which one, pray tell) was a progressive liberal, I'm very interested in your definition of Real conservative. Please help me out here.



posted on Mar, 23 2013 @ 12:58 PM
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Originally posted by bjax9er

Originally posted by spyder550
So Blaxer -- what you learned from defeat was that the conservatives need to double down on being conservative. Please Please keep thinking like that. It makes wining for us progressives so much easier.


is that what marxist progressives care about, wining?
power?
control?


Do you always start your posts with an attack on someone's character?

Do you do this on purpose? Are you trying to alienate your audience?

What is your purpose here?



posted on Mar, 23 2013 @ 02:39 PM
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reply to post by FyreByrd
 


heres a calm response


who cares



posted on Mar, 24 2013 @ 03:00 AM
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And it becomes so obvious when you hear people talking in this manner that they really are trying to "sell" something to people. They are basically admitting to manipulating people the way I see it. People should be able to have all of the facts presented to them and then be allowed to make up their minds regarding anything, but apparently they are not smart enough for that...There has to be some group to tell them how or what to think, or how to interpret the "facts." It is so ridiculous, and this is partly why I hate political parties to begin with. I think this was a great find and a great thread. Good job.





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