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UFO/Antigrav Tech: ETs need not apply

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posted on May, 11 2003 @ 11:20 AM
After a good deal of research, I have been of the train of thought that many of the UFO sightings are not actually UFOs, but are human built X Craft. These X Craft utilize an advanced antigravity type of propulsion, usually termed Magneto-hydrodynamic and/or electrogravitic propulsion.

Some believe that this technology was obtained from reverse engineering alien technology from retrieved crashed UFOs.

I do not agree with this point of view, and believe that this technology was the brainchild of Nikola Tesla, and originated around the 1880s, and only in the past 40 years has been developed into usable technology.

The following excerpts come from the book "The Lost Journals of Nikola Tesla" by Tim Swartz.

At high voltage and frequency, electricity flows over a surfac, even human skin, rather than into it. This is a base circuit which could be used by aircraft/spacecraft.

The hull is best made double, of thin, machinable, slightly flexible ceramic. This becomes a good electrical insulator, has no fire hazard, and has the hardness and strength of armor, besides being transparent to magnetic fields.

The inner hull is covered on its outsides by wedge shaped thin metal sheets of copper or aluminum, bonded to the ceramic. Each sheet is three to four feet wide at the horizontal rim of the hull and tapers to a few inches wide at the top of the hull for the top set of sheets, or at the bottom for the bottom set of sheets. Each sheet it separated on either side from the next sheet by a couple inches of uncovered ceramic hull.

The top set of sheets and the bottom set of sheets are separated by about 6 inches of uncovered ceramic hull around the horizontal rim of the hull. The outer hull protects these sheets from being short circuited by rain or other contaminants.

In space, the outer hull with a slight negative charge would absorb hits from micro meteorites and cosmic rays. If any object doesnt already have a negative charge, it would obtain one on impact with the outer hull, and be repelled by the positively charged inner metal sheets before it could penetrate the inner hull.

The hull can be made in a variety of shapes: sphere, football, disc, streamlined, or triangle, as long as the metal sheets are of considerable area and arranged along the enveloping surfaces of very large radii of curvature.

Electricity is fed into a number of capacitors, one for each metal sheet. An automatic switch closes and the electricity is raised in frequency by a transformer. The electricity comes out of the transformer at the high voltage end and goes by wire through the ceramic hull to the wide end of the metal sheet. The electricity arcs out on and flows over the metal sheet, giving off a very strong magnetic field, controlled by the transformer. At the narrow end of the metal sheet, most of the high voltage push having been given off, the electricity goes back by wire through the hull to a circuit breaker.

In bright sunlight, the aircraft/spacecraft may seem surrounded by hot air, a slight magnetic distortion of the light. In darkness the metal sheets glow, even through the thin ceramic outer hull, with different colors. The visible light is a by product of the electricity flowing over the metal sheets according to the frequencies used.

Timing is important in the operation of the machine. For every three metal sheets, when the middle one is briefly turned off, the sheet on either side is energized, giving off the magnetic field. The next instant, the middle sheet is energized while the sheet on either side is turned off briefly, to allow the capacitors to recharge.

There is a time delay in the capacitors recharging themselves, so that at any given time half of all the metal sheets are active and half are charging, alternating around the hull. This balances the machine, giving it very good stability. This balance is less when fewer of the circuits are in use.

posted on May, 11 2003 @ 11:39 AM
Part 2: Dr. Thomas Townsend Brown and Electrogravitics. (excerpts from the book "The Lost Journals of Nikola Tesla" by Tim Swartz)

Dr. Thomas Townsend Brown, was a physics student of Dr. Paul Biefield in 1923 at the California Institute for Advanced Studies (later renamed Cal Tech). Brown noticed that when 2 plates carrying high voltages of DC electricity separated by a dialectric, the negative electrode moved by itself in the direction of the positive plate. In other words, T. Townsend Brown discovered that it was possible to create an artificial gravity field by charging an electrical capacitor to high voltage.

He built a special capacitor which used a heavy high charge accumulating diaelectric material between its plates and found that when charged with between 70,000 and 300,000 volts, it would move in the direction of its positive pole. When oriented with its positive pole up, it would loose about 1% of its weight.

He attributed this motion to an electrostatically induced gravity field acting between the capacitors oppositely charged plates. By 1958, he succeeded in developing a 15 inch model saucer that could lift over 110% of its own weight.

As early as 1952, an Air Force major general witnessed a demonstration in which Brown flew a pair of 18 inch disc airfoils suspended from opposite ends of a rotating arm. When electrified with 50,000 volts they circuited at a speed of 12 MPH.

A year later, he flew a set of 3 foot saucers for some Air Force officials and representatives from a number of major aircraft manufacturers. When energized to 150,000 volts the discs sped around the 50 foot course so fast that the subject was immediately classified.

Interavia magazine reported that the discs could attain speeds of hundreds of miles an hour when charged with hundreds of thousands of volts. Browns discs were charged with a high positive voltage on a wire running along the leading edge and a high negative voltage on a wire along the trailing edge.

As the wires ionized the air around them, a dense cloud of positive ions would form ahead of the craft and corresponding cloud of negative ions would form behind the craft. Browns research indicated that, like the charged plates of his capacitors, these ion clouds induced a gravitational force directed in the minus to plus direction.

As the disc moved forward in the response to its self generated gravity field, it would carry with it its positive and negative ion clouds and thier associated electrogravity gradient. Consequently, the discs would ride thier advancing gravity wave much like surfers ride an ocean wave.

Dr. Mason Rose, one of Browns associates, described the pricinpal of opertion:

"The saucers made by Brown have no propellers, no jets, no moving parts at all. They create a modification of the gravity field around themselves, which is analogous to putting them on the incline of a hill. They act like a surfboard on a wave. The electrogravitational saucer creates its own hill, which is a local distortion of the gravity field, then takes this hill with it in any direction it chooses at any rate."

"The occupants of one of Browns saucers would feel no stress at all no matter how sharp the turn or how great the acceleration. This is because the ship and its occupants and the load are all responding equally to the wave distortion of the local gravity field"

Although skeptics at first thought the discs were propelled by more mundane effects such as the pressure of negative ions striking the positive electrode. Brown later carried out vacuum chamber tests which proved that a force was present even in the abscence of such ion thrust.

posted on May, 11 2003 @ 11:57 AM
A very interesting article of current reproductions (and confirmation) of T. Townsend Browns work on electrogravitics.

Possible indications of ether drift?

Other electrogravitic research

posted on May, 11 2003 @ 12:02 PM
Project Angel:

Project ANGEL was instigated with the aim of producing a useful flying electrogravitic craft. Interested in the properties of such a vehicle, I tested variations of Brown's gravitators, wih varying success, using High-K dielectric. The one thing which was most of the inspiration for ANGEL was the B2 Spirit bomber.

Documented references to Electrogravitic Propulsion, by NASA and the USAF

Project Winterhaven. Brown submitted a proposal to the Pentagon for the development of a Mach 3 disc shaped electrogravitic fighter craft. Drawings of its basic design are shown in one of his patents. They are essentially large scale versions of his tethered test discs.

posted on May, 11 2003 @ 12:14 PM
very interesting is that, hypothetically supposing your idea is the case, highly plausable it being, what would real ets be? human dna experiments?

or real ets? it would open alot of new theorys about roswell and other insedents...

posted on May, 11 2003 @ 12:17 PM
personally i find the idea of no et's ever making human contact scaryer than the otherway round.. the idea of human inteligence being alone for billions and billions of miles is scary... even scaryer so is the possibility that we are the only ones...

posted on May, 11 2003 @ 12:19 PM
I dont know that we havent had contact with ETs in the past, or even in recent times. However, this research indicates that we may be on the track to develope and produce technology similar to true ETs on our own, without any assistance (direct or reverse engineered) from any aliens.

It is my understanding that we have attempted manned expeditions to Mars already, but have encountered "something".

posted on May, 11 2003 @ 12:24 PM
The B-2 Bomber. In 1992, black project scientists disclosed to Aviation Week and Space Technology magazine that the B-2 electrostatically charges its exhaust to a high voltage and also charges the leading edge of its wing-like body to the opposite polarity. This information led Dr. LaViolette in 1993 to reverse engineer the B-2's propulsion system. He proposed that the B-2 is essentially a realization of Townsend Brown's patented electrogravitic aircraft. The B-2 is capable of taking off under normal jet propulsion. But when airborne, its electrogravitic drive may be switched on for added thrust. This system can only be turned on under dry conditions. If the B-2's dielectric wing were to become wet, the applied high voltage charge would short out, which explains why the B-2 is unable to fly in the rain.With electrogravitic drive, the B-2 is able to drastically cut its fuel consumption, possibly even to zero under high speed flight conditions.

posted on May, 11 2003 @ 12:39 PM
I was looking through a book and saw a picture which I immediately thought to be an ET, since it looked nothing at all like a human, but it turned out to be a mummy. It is so horribly deformed that it actually looks alien.

(That sounded completely irrelevant, didn't it?)

"why the B-2 is unable to fly in the rain"
The reason for that is mainly because the B-2's surface must be perfectly smooth to work. If anything got on it, the performance would be hindered.

[Edited on 11-5-03 by Zoch]

posted on May, 11 2003 @ 12:58 PM

Originally posted by dragonrider
I dont know that we havent had contact with ETs in the past, or even in recent times. However, this research indicates that we may be on the track to develope and produce technology similar to true ETs on our own, without any assistance (direct or reverse engineered) from any aliens.

It is my understanding that we have attempted manned expeditions to Mars already, but have encountered "something".

i can see where your coming from, its a freaky idea, i dont see the point in the coverup information flying about though...

posted on May, 11 2003 @ 05:36 PM
Link for Nazi UFO information

posted on May, 11 2003 @ 05:49 PM
Actual patents for MHD/antigravity propulsion systems.

posted on May, 11 2003 @ 11:10 PM
Very interesting link for American Antigravity research and information.

"Antigravity" can be defined as the science or the physics that can allow the overcoming or cancellation of the Earth's gravitational field. Of course this sounds impossible - ridiculous - far fetched - science fiction - etc. So did any new technological advance whose components were demonstrated until one day, the technology really was demonstrated. Examples of this advancement of physics abound: the discoveries that the Sun is the center of the solar system; that meteorites fall from the sky; that continents drift; that falling water can generate electricity; that a voice can travel over a wire; that heavier than air machines can fly; that nuclear fission is possible; that there is water on the moon - ... - the list could go on and on. The point is that science/technology is a continuing unfolding subject whose content is always expanding, more rapidly every day.

To think that because this book says this, and these papers say that - that you know all there is to know about a given topic - is absolutely childish - and very irresponsible.

So; what evidence is there that any "antigravity" effects exist? Is there any data? Is there any proof? Are there any witnesses? Are there any recorded events? Are there any patents in this area?

The answers to all of these questions are: Yes; Yes; Yes; Yes; Yes; and Yes.

All of the proof will not be presented in this paper. However; this paper will refer you to the many references and readily available books, papers, newsletter, patents, and internet websites where this information can be easily obtained. These data are easily available to any serious researcher.

Colonel Steve Wilson, USAF (ret.) Reveals UFO-oriented Project Pounce

Richard Boylan, Ph.D.

A further glimpse into the military's secretive obsession with UFO technology was

provided by Colonel Steve Wilson, U.S. Air Force (ret.), former head of Project Pounce, an elite

Air Force/National Reconnaissance Organization " Special Forces unit which retrieves downed

UFOs. Colonel Wilson reports that "the first successful U.S. antigravity flight took place July 18,

1971 at S-4, Dreamland [Area 51], wherein light bending capabilities were also demonstrated to

obtain total invisibilities. Present at this flight were notables such as Admiral [Bobbie Ray] Inman

[former National Security Agency director], who is now head of SAIC [Science Applications

International, Incorporated] in San Diego, CA, which makes the antigravity drives."

Colonel Wilson also revealed that the recent announcement by Lockheed about an

unmanned, electric-propulsion reconnaissance unit with short wings named "Dark Star" was

actually a "cover" project. The exotic technology being concealed is the real Dark Star,

designated the X-22A, and manufactured by the Lockheed Skunk Works at Helendale, CA. This

Dark Star is an operational, two-man, wingless antigravity craft.

This item is going to sound like a bad reject from conspiracy publications like Nexus or New Dawn, or an X-Files fanzine. It isn't. The indisputable fact is that both the US and the UK are putting serious money into anti-gravity research with military aerospace applications. The only question is how far it is from operational status. There is informed speculation that it is already used in the American B2 bomber

posted on May, 12 2003 @ 07:19 PM
Towards the end of 1944, Allied pilots in the skies over Europe started reporting the appearance of strange flying globes that interfered with the electrical and radar systems of the American planes. At night they appeared as of balls of fire. Convinced they were faced with new German weaponry the American fliers called them Kraut balls but the French version of Feuerballs (fireballs) prevailed. In the American press, they were called Foo Fighters. There were many such reports in late 1944 and 1945. One pilot of a bomber flying over France said, one by one the balls approached so close that they almost touched the wings. They were huge spinning balls, and for a short time we felt an intense sensation of heat. Renato Vesco, the former head of the technical section of the Italian Air Force, says in a letter, Work on the German anti-radar Feurball, or fireball, had been speeded up during the fall of 1944 at a Luftwaffe experimental center near Oberammergau, Bavaria. There, and at the aeronautical establishment at Weiner Neustadt, the first fireballs were produced...Fast and remote controlled, the fireballs, equipped with klystron tubes, operated on the same frequency as Allied radar, which could eliminate the blips from radar screens...they showed that Nazi technology had moved in a direction far beyond anything expected by Allied Intelligence.'s_of_the_third_reich.htm

posted on May, 12 2003 @ 07:28 PM


posted on May, 27 2003 @ 03:27 PM
these X craft that you speak of are also known as flying saucers. Many exist all over the world. the whole UFO Alien thing if we remember correctly was an artificial spin-off of project bluebook which was a disinformation protocol used to create suspicion, then provide the answers(all of them wrong) by having agents pose as UFO investegators. Updated yearly alien consciousness was used as deterent to keep the whole saucer subject off of peoples minds. This made it so that 95% of the people who approached the subject were thrown off into an oblivious state of not knowingness which synchronized with the entire disinformation whole.


posted on May, 27 2003 @ 03:31 PM
the thing thats gets to me is how so many people are still fooled by 20th century counterintelligence methods. i guess that the current state media has digessed us back a few hundred years.

posted on May, 27 2003 @ 05:47 PM
You are correct, the media is indeed a disinformation tool of the military, government, and the Cabal. Just remember, anything you ever see or hear on TV or any other medium is something someone wants you to see and hear.

I would also agree that the massive UFO disinformation program has done an exceptional job of keeping the people looking away from what is really going at Area 51 and other facilities.

Now, keep in mind that there is always a countercurrent or subplot in anything that is engineered by the Cabal.

Is there any evidence that SOME UFO contact of some kind has been made? I believe that there is. However, I just dont believe that we have gleaned any siginificant amount of useful technology, or at least nothing that we havent developed on our own from our own technology.

This may well be the reason that so much of the medias attention focuses on extra terrestrial life, because some day we may be forced into a situation where we have to face such facts.

posted on Jun, 8 2003 @ 12:12 AM
this is an amazing thread. kudos dradon rider
definately worth a bump. thanks for all the hard work.

interestingly enough, if one were to consider the possibility of an alien invasion hoax (might point being - no aliens needed) a few fleets of these vehicles deployed would certainly lend themselves to the illusion...

posted on Jun, 13 2003 @ 12:48 PM
This link lists patents of novel flight techniques.

The only real antigravity patent among them was Wallace's in 1971. Wallace's work goes back to 1966, as far as I'm aware.
The remainder of the patents were thrust producing devices.

I am going to try to explain the physics behind real antigravity. Perhaps it would be easier for me to simply paste links for your inspection. I'll do that anyway at the bottom, as it may open some doors for your exploration.

Real antigravity is a means of nullifying the interaction of mass with the gravitational field. It also has the effect of nullifying inertial mass, and bends light. The antigravity field is actually an artificially produced closed circulating gravitational field. This is superimposed upon the ambient gravity field, with the result that the ambient gravitational flux flows completely around and outside of the enclosed mass. Thus it cannot interact at all with matter enclosed, and both the inertial and gravitational mass is nullified.

When inertial mass is nullified, it becomes very easy to obtain very high accellerations, at low energy expenditures, with little or no G-forces to the vehicle or the persons in it. Thus, if a vehicle has totally nullified mass, it will not be damaged by high speed collisions. A 40,000 ton vehicle becomes lighter than a hair. You could try to ram that vehicle at high speed into a twig or a person, and they would not feel it or be harmed. The vehicle would just bounce off, and go in another direction, with no impact force. So not only is the transportation much faster, it's inherantly safer, and the collision problem is solved. Ram things all you want, no damage at all.

This is accomplished by spinning mass combined with forced precession of mass. The antigravity theory behind this goes back to Einstein's theory on gravity-like fields that are generated around a spinning mass.

There have been several recent experiments that demonstrated real antigravity phenomena. Most mainstream institutionalized physicists are aware that in 1992, an experiment at Tampere University was reported by Podkletnov, and a gravity shielding effect was claimed. A torroidal shaped type II superconductor disk was suspended
via the Meissner effect by a constant vertical magnetic field, and was rapidly rotated by a time varying horizontal magnetic field. Masses located in a cylindrical spacial geometry above the rotating disk were found to lose up to 2% of their weight.

The following links have a more substantial explanation of real antigravity with abundant references.

Post subject: Spin Aligned Nuclei, The Gravitomagnetic Field

Post subject: Ah ha! Antigravity!

So what really happens is this. Imagine a sphere of solid matter spinning on a vertical axis. in 1947, Einstien predicted that such would generate gravitation-like forces: in a equatorial region circular fields, and parallel to the spin axis forces point in the outward direction in a conical field. These forces were a consequence of relativistic physics.

Wallace in his patent calls this the magnetogravitic force. In his patented device, an air jet causes a brass disk mounted on ball bearings to spin. A paramagnetic structure focused that gravity-like force upon a thermistor. The specific heat of the thermistor changes measurably.

He theorized that a time varying magnetogravitic force field would generate an electrogravitic force field. Now this last step is what leads to useful antigravitic fields for flight.

What happened in the Podkletnov experiment was a demonstration of this latter step. A superconducting disk supported on a magnetic field is made to spin. Within that is a rotating magnetic field, which is made to rotate with the superposition of a 3 phase magnetic field. If you look into what happens in a superconductor which is exposed to magnetic fields, it generates currents in thin layers on the surface which precisely balance and nullify the magnetic field, which causes the magnetic field to be rejected from passing through the body of the superconducting material.

The currents are generated in the configuration given by the right hand rule. Close your right hand into a fist with the thumb pointing up. The fingers are the direction of the positron current flow, and the thumb is the direction of the magnetic field generated by that current. A positron doesn't really have to exist, but it makes the concept easier to understand.

So there has to be some mass spinning. If a static magnetic field tried to enter a superconductor, currents in the superconductor will block it from entering. The circulation of the electron current is the spinning mass. If the magnetic field is rotating, then the axis of the electron current is forced to precess. This is what Wallace called the electrogravitic force field, which is what Podkletnov demonstrated.

It's really the spinning mass and the precession of the spinning mass that generated the antigravity effect. The changing electric and magnetic fields are just a means of getting a handle upon the matter to make it do this.

So here's how a disk shaped antigravity vehicle might be constructed. You make a circular array of loops, the sum of which is conformed to the skin of the vehicle. The skin itself, could be formed of aluminum, and have currents pass through it, but separated into pie shaped segments. Then you need to attach tiles to it made of paramagnetic materials, to boost the effect. This is conveniently accomplished with layers of bismuth and aluminum, hot pressed together. Bismuth has a low melting point. It has one of the highest paramagnetic values known. Aluminum is diamagnetic.

There are actually many materials that can be used which could be evaluated based upon their magnetogravitic permability.

So you have a high speed switching power supply electronically controlled in your vehicle. The current is sequentially turned on to pass through each of the pie shaped segments, so the effect is that there is a high speed rotating magnetic field passing over and though the skin of the vehicle. This causes the mass spin precession of the materials in the skin but also throughout the volume enclosed. Almost all matter is either paramagnetic or diamagnetic, even water, bone and skin. They will all participate in generating the gravitoelectric field, because they will spin precess. Accordingly, the antigravity field will be generated, and the vehicle and its contents will become massless. Then any small push will cause accelleration.

One of the side effects of the rotating magnetic field is the ionization of the atmosphere near the skin, which result in the glow effect we have heard about by many witnesses.

Recently another physicist has rediscovered this. Fran DeAquino conducted an experiment in which he made a 112 pound iron ball levitate electrogravitially. He demonstrated negative mass also. This is a link to his site:

Experiments prove DeAquino correct:

Therefore, I believe we do have theory and hard proof of antigravity principles which is completely harmonious with eyewitness evidence of UFOs. It is even probable that the USA and other countries have had such back engineered craft for as much as 56 years.

Whether some of the UFOs are alien piloted, I will leave unaddressed for now.

Larry Schamber

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