Scottish independence: Referendum to be held on 18 September, 2014

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posted on Mar, 23 2013 @ 08:27 AM
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Fairly sure the way forward is to change the political system for all in the UK.




A full system re-boot of both the electoral and parliamentary procedures including devolved powers to ALL the regions within the UK whilst retaining some form of Union possibly within a federal framework.

Got to say this thread has taken a turn for the worse, but then again I guess it was only a matter of time - at least it seems that all sides seem to have a fair sprinkling of dickheads and none outdoes the other, but I'm sure they'll try.
edit on 23/3/13 by Freeborn because: grammar and clarity




posted on Mar, 23 2013 @ 08:28 AM
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Originally posted by rigel4

Originally posted by Soloprotocol
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if you want to remain under London's Thumb then bugger off over the border....we will have our independence In the Immortal words of Bono..with or without you...


I have lived over the border for a long time and only recently comeback! You on the other hand
most likely have never been anywhere, and suffer from a narrow and ignorant mind.


EDIT: OMG This is you. www.abovetopsecret.com...

Please find a rock to crawl under gtfo

edit on 23-3-2013 by rigel4 because: (no reason given)

i Love it when i get to someone so much they have to go find everything about them....have i seriously messed with you head that much this morning....go back home to little England and start a Campaign to keep us as part of your beloved empire...Englified Mad Man



posted on Mar, 23 2013 @ 08:40 AM
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Originally posted by Soloprotocol

Originally posted by rigel4

Originally posted by Soloprotocol
reply to post by rigel4
 


if you want to remain under London's Thumb then bugger off over the border....we will have our independence In the Immortal words of Bono..with or without you...


I have lived over the border for a long time and only recently comeback! You on the other hand
most likely have never been anywhere, and suffer from a narrow and ignorant mind.


EDIT: OMG This is you. www.abovetopsecret.com...

Please find a rock to crawl under gtfo

edit on 23-3-2013 by rigel4 because: (no reason given)

i Love it when i get to someone so much they have to go find everything about them....have i seriously messed with you head that much this morning....go back home to little England and start a Campaign to keep us as part of your beloved empire...Englified Mad Man


All I need to know about you is that you are an Ignorant narrow minded bigot.
Your posts make this evident! If Scotland become Independent i will without a doubt
be leaving, along with many many other broadminded and educated Individuals.



posted on Mar, 23 2013 @ 08:45 AM
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Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by rigel4
 




Fairly sure the way forward is to change the political system for all in the UK.




A full system re-boot of both the electoral and parliamentary procedures including devolved powers to ALL the regions within the UK whilst retaining some form of Union possibly within a federal framework.

Got to say this thread has taken a turn for the worse, but then again I guess it was only a matter of time - at least it seems that all sides seem to have a fair sprinkling of dickheads and none outdoes the other, but I'm sure they'll try.
edit on 23/3/13 by Freeborn because: grammar and clarity



That is how i see it too.
I appreciate your reply.



posted on Mar, 23 2013 @ 08:52 AM
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Originally posted by rigel4

Originally posted by Soloprotocol

Originally posted by rigel4

Originally posted by Soloprotocol
reply to post by rigel4
 


if you want to remain under London's Thumb then bugger off over the border....we will have our independence In the Immortal words of Bono..with or without you...


I have lived over the border for a long time and only recently comeback! You on the other hand
most likely have never been anywhere, and suffer from a narrow and ignorant mind.


EDIT: OMG This is you. www.abovetopsecret.com...

Please find a rock to crawl under gtfo

edit on 23-3-2013 by rigel4 because: (no reason given)

i Love it when i get to someone so much they have to go find everything about them....have i seriously messed with you head that much this morning....go back home to little England and start a Campaign to keep us as part of your beloved empire...Englified Mad Man


All I need to know about you is that you are an Ignorant narrow minded bigot.
Your posts make this evident! If Scotland become Independent i will without a doubt
be leaving, along with many many other broadminded and educated Individuals.



Dont let the door Crack you on the a$$ on the way out....



posted on Mar, 23 2013 @ 09:17 AM
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Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by rigel4
 




Fairly sure the way forward is to change the political system for all in the UK.




A full system re-boot of both the electoral and parliamentary procedures including devolved powers to ALL the regions within the UK whilst retaining some form of Union possibly within a federal framework.

Got to say this thread has taken a turn for the worse, but then again I guess it was only a matter of time - at least it seems that all sides seem to have a fair sprinkling of dickheads and none outdoes the other, but I'm sure they'll try.
edit on 23/3/13 by Freeborn because: grammar and clarity


I'm losing track of what the nationality of some of the posters is. It just seems like abuse for the sake of it. We need some mods in for a serious cull.

There's been a fair few threads about independence over the years and it always seems to head in the inevitable direction.


Back on topic.

I wonder what the political landscape of Scotland would be. Scottish tories have faired badly in the last few years due to the Thatcher effect. I'd imagine that after being cut from Westminster, they may see a bit of a resurgence. Would socialism ( if you could call it that, anymore) still have a stronghold in Scotland.
And would the SNP even exist or would they disband and go their individual ways.



posted on Mar, 23 2013 @ 09:23 AM
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Originally posted by Knobby

Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by rigel4
 




Fairly sure the way forward is to change the political system for all in the UK.




A full system re-boot of both the electoral and parliamentary procedures including devolved powers to ALL the regions within the UK whilst retaining some form of Union possibly within a federal framework.

Got to say this thread has taken a turn for the worse, but then again I guess it was only a matter of time - at least it seems that all sides seem to have a fair sprinkling of dickheads and none outdoes the other, but I'm sure they'll try.
edit on 23/3/13 by Freeborn because: grammar and clarity


I'm losing track of what the nationality of some of the posters is. It just seems like abuse for the sake of it. We need some mods in for a serious cull.

There's been a fair few threads about independence over the years and it always seems to head in the inevitable direction.


Back on topic.

I wonder what the political landscape of Scotland would be. Scottish tories have faired badly in the last few years due to the Thatcher effect. I'd imagine that after being cut from Westminster, they may see a bit of a resurgence. Would socialism ( if you could call it that, anymore) still have a stronghold in Scotland.
And would the SNP even exist or would they disband and go their individual ways.


Scotland has more Pandas than Tory politicians...Maybe that''s what England fears the Most about us Scots going our own way....they will be stuck with a Bunch of oxford educated aristocrats telling them they must block up their windows or face a daylight tax again for the rest of their lives..



posted on Mar, 23 2013 @ 09:30 AM
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But would a right wing Scottish party be such a bad thing, at the moment it is foisted on us every few elections by Westminster.

No one knows what a right wing Scottish party would get up to if their priorities lay in Scotland. It may even do some good.



posted on Mar, 23 2013 @ 09:46 AM
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Scotland came running to England to bail them out when the Scots where basically bankrupt . Resulting in the Act Of Union 1707.
If Scotland gets independence and into the same financial mess again, i hope England, Wales and Northern Ireland tell them to get lost.



posted on Mar, 23 2013 @ 10:09 AM
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I suspect the vote will still be against independence but Westminster will be so rattled by their close call that they'll grant the Scots just about anything constitutionally to retain the Union with England. I think that will give the Scots their devo-max option, where most legislative powers apart from defense & foreign affairs etc will be repatriated to Scotland.

That's going to be a revelation in itself, to see how the Scots will frame their social security system, trade & economics, taxation etc ... I'm really interested to learn how they will do that.

I think the No campaign needs to step up a gear. Presenting English tories & Alistair Darling as the voice of the noes is a recipe for complete disaster.



posted on Mar, 23 2013 @ 10:41 AM
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I am Scottish and would like to have a independent self governing for the people government for myself and also for others, no matter what nation you reside in be it England, Scotland, Wales or Ireland we all deserve better than what we are getting.

Our political leaders have only their best interests at heart and those who have their ears or pockets, they don't have a clue about living on minimum wage or even worse they have lived sheltered lives. Not all are bad but the status quo has to be protected and having been welcomed into the club the rules must be followed.

An independent Scotland is a pipe dream as is a independent Britain we are told by the few what is what and no matter what anyone thinks this is true, all aspects of our lives have been manipulated by laws for and against what those in power want, we are nothing more than playthings to them.

Scotland would flourish as a nation without the pound or euro and the support that comes with them, because we have proved in the past from the dirt comes diamonds and as a nation we have lots for us.

Ponder This Scotch Gold

Gold’s success in recent years is something everyone’s aware of. But there’s a liquid gold most of us have in our homes that’s performed even better – Scotch. Yes, while the price of gold increased 146% between 2008 and the end of 2011, the price of the best whiskies has shot up an incredible 400%, figures from whisky valuers show. A bottle of 64-year-old “Cire Perdue” Macallan, sold for an astonishing £290,000 at auction in the US last year - making it the world's most expensive bottle of whisky. But it’s not alone in fetching a six-figure sum: A bottle of Dalmore 62 was sold in Singapore for £125,000, while a Dalmore 64 sold for £120,000 in Harrods last year. And they’re not the only whiskies producing stellar returns. Whisky Highland, which has monitored the prices fetched by every bottle of whisky sold at auction for the past three years, calculates that an investment in the top 100 whiskies would have seen a gain of 245%, while the top 250 whiskies have risen 180% between 2008 and 2011.



Scotch whisky is a national brand worth toasting. It is a drink that can only be distilled and matured in one country - Scotland - but which sells in to 200 markets around the world. How did Scotch go from cottage industry to global phenomenon and how does it benefit its country of origin? Scotch whisky is ideally positioned to gain from the growth of the middle class in emerging markets such as Asia, South America and Africa. And for the new clientele it comes packaged in tradition and offers quality provenance. Gavin Hewitt, chief executive of the Scotch Whisky Association, explains: "We are appealing to the emerging markets. We're appealing to the affluent, the middle-class people who are aspirational, people who see Scotch whisky as the drink of choice. "They can afford it, and it means they're part of a global network."
How Scotch Whiskey Conquered The World

With just this imagine a Scottish Fort Knox Full of Vintage Whiskey we could even back our own cash with the stuff lol we have the right to do this if it is viable if it is not then fine but this is what a government should be doing exploring alternatives to this corrupt fiat currency. But if this is viable we should make sure that security is tight as when audit comes and finds thousands of bottles empty or full of tea the bailout would not be a problem a couple of asprin and a bottle of Irn-Bru for everyone.

But truth be told I love my English friends and Family and wish the best for them and would fight to protect them but now is the time for them to fight for us I feel, Help us! Help you, we will show the corruption down south once we expose it up here SNP, Labour,Tory UKIP all a bunch of leeches and liars.



posted on Mar, 23 2013 @ 10:54 AM
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Originally posted by LeBombDiggity

I think the No campaign needs to step up a gear. Presenting English tories & Alistair Darling as the voice of the noes is a recipe for complete disaster.


When it comes down to it, there will ultimately be a No vote.

You can trot out as many politicans and celebs as you want, present any kind of economic figures that would favour either way. It's a point that the English fail to pick up on.

The decision will be made by the big elephant in the room ( more like a safari). The religeous divide.
There are many that won't give a hoot about any reasoned debate, their hatred of each other will see that they toe the party line. One side loves the Queen and the other side hate her, this will totally decide which way they vote.

A Celtic message to Palestine

Why do (or did) Rangers fans have South African & Israel flags when they play against Celtic ?

This is only a couple of examples outlining Scotlands real problem. And there will be a No vote because of it.



posted on Mar, 23 2013 @ 11:50 AM
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posted on Mar, 23 2013 @ 12:10 PM
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I'm sorry, I've just skimmed this thread so I may have missed it. I hope I don't appear facetious when I ask that, if the Scottish public votes for independence (as they have every right to do) does England secure the immense satisfaction of removing such political Scottish luminaries as 'gorgeous' George Galloway from holding any position of political power?



posted on Mar, 23 2013 @ 12:39 PM
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Originally posted by Alekto
I'm sorry, I've just skimmed this thread so I may have missed it. I hope I don't appear facetious when I ask that, if the Scottish public votes for independence (as they have every right to do) does England secure the immense satisfaction of removing such political Scottish luminaries as 'gorgeous' George Galloway from holding any position of political power?


To answer your question is tricky. Galloway is MP at present for an English constituency (Bradford West). However as he is technically Scottish, if Scotland gained independence would he have to resign his seat? People from outside the UK cannot hold a seat in Westminster. That would also apply for any other Scots MP's holding a UK seat.



posted on Mar, 23 2013 @ 12:41 PM
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I genuinely hope that the Scots get the independence they crave. It would be a beautiful thing to see George getting kicked out of office.



posted on Mar, 23 2013 @ 12:54 PM
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Scotland will not be gaining anything, since there will be no Scottish Independence. Neither the elite nor even the Scottish public want or will allow it.



posted on Mar, 23 2013 @ 12:58 PM
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the english get to keep gorgeous george, brown, blair etc, we get john barroman and the krankies

lorraine kelly's coming up here, you guys keep jeremy kyle, we'll throw in a michelle mone and you can even have fair weather scot mr connery, but you need to send Rachel off countdown up here.

deal?

spitshake and lets move on
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posted on Mar, 23 2013 @ 01:41 PM
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No chance, Rachel off Countdown is staying with us. There's even talk of interfering with the signal getting over the border so you'll have to put up with grainy internet copies or old school smuggling of dvd's to get your fix!
Have independence, oil revenue, and crappy football by all means, but keep your eyes off our Rachel!

...nice result for Wales last night by the way, I know neither of us are qualifying for the finals, but always good to beat you guys


*Edit* Swansea lad born and bred although living in England these days, would love to see your 'big' teams in the English league, would be fun to see how successful they would be. You can keep the pathetic religious sectarianism out of it though, we all grew out of that a long time ago down here.
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