Biden: Gabby Giffords 'Was Shot and Mortally Wounded'

reply to post by BritofTexas

I am not sure I would put that one in the category of stupid.

One could see it as careless, but I suspect that Mr. Reagan had no regrets for saying it.

Originally posted by BritofTexas
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

As we only have one administration at a time, it is easier to compare to the previous one, than to the next.

As far as stupid things to say, though. This one, still, holds the crown.

Well, you tend to live with half your attention focused over 4 years in the past. I'm focused on the present. Your thoughts take you to a man who is but a piece of this nation's history. I'm looking at the men who still run it and make life and death decisions every day.

Your comparisons are....interesting in a 'What has it got to do with anything', kinda of way. I mean Dan Quayle was a bumbling idiot if we want REAL comparisons ...but that is reaching a bit into the pages of recent history just to draw the example. It was also a far different world when Quayle was making an ass out of himself with school children and potatoes.

It's a far more dangerous world we live in now where such idiocy from men with SO much power is chilling. It really is.

Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by BritofTexas

 

I am not sure I would put that one in the category of stupid.

One could see it as careless, but I suspect that Mr. Reagan had no regrets for saying it.

If he didn't. Then it proves my point.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


Biden reminds me of that "crazy drunk uncle"! Anyone have one of those in their family? They are funny as hell, but they are also dangerous in some of the things they say!

reply to post by beezzer

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


Fair enough.

I would only suggest that perhaps part of the problem is that we expect these elected officials to be "super-human" and everything except what they truly are......human.

I quite enjoy it when politicians say stupid things because it reassures us that even as they attempt to control our lives, they are no different or better than you or I.

Moreover, Biden or any other person is no better than you or I and to hold them to a higher standard than we hold ourselves is nothing more than a projection of an inferiority complex.

No thanks.

reply to post by solomons path

Governments play chess . . . not checkers.

And Biden says, "Bingo"!

That is an rather awkward use of the term "mortally wounded", which is generally associated with death of a victim. However, he's not really misusing the term "mortal wound" at all. A mortal wound is one that threatens life but can be survived with prompt medical attention. It's a wound that threatens the loss of life, not assures the loss of life 100% of the time. So, technically, Giffords WAS mortally wounded and if it hadn't been for medical intervention, then she would have died due to a mortal wound. However, she survived and became simply wounded. Mortal, as an adjective, means liable or subject to death. It's an implication of extreme severity as well. One can hold mortal fear but that doesn't mean that they are going to die from that fear. They are simply extremely afraid.

Gotta love the English language in all its infinite complexities. Totally agree with the prior posters' remarks about Biden's use of clips though. They are magazines--not clips!

Originally posted by BritofTexas

Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by BritofTexas

 

I am not sure I would put that one in the category of stupid.

One could see it as careless, but I suspect that Mr. Reagan had no regrets for saying it.

If he didn't. Then it proves my point.

If he did regret it, it would show that he gave it no forethought.
I believe that he may very well have meant to say what he did and therefore would not regret saying it.

Originally posted by coltcall
Can we all get a straight face any more with these socialist?

They're not socialists, they're liberals.

Please stop insulting socialists.

Socialism is the last thing they want, the last thing any government wants. They want liberalism, because it is no threat to the status-quo, it does not appose capitalism or the state.

Socialism was a labour movement for worker ownership, it's not a form of government, it is an economic system that requires no government.

"Anarchism is stateless socialism" - Mikhail Bakunin

"Liberalism is not socialism, and never will be" - Winston Churchill, Liberal Party candidate for Dundee, 1908.

reply to post by sheepslayer247


I don't expect the plumber I hire to quote Shakespeare.

I don't buy my lunch from someone who can quote Pi to the 4,737th digit.

But I do expect more from the Vice-president of the (what are we at?) the 7th most powerful nation on the continent!

reply to post by sheepslayer247

Okay Sheepslayer, I'll be happy to meet ya half way on that one. It is a little unfair to hold them up sometimes like they should walk on water. Even if sometimes, a couple seem to project the sincere belief that they can or something... lol.

At the same time, I don't hammer Obama or others on every gaffe. They don't make a regular habit of it and say the most baffling things as a near routine matter. Biden is a person I think we see as little of as we do because his handlers know how bad he can be with this on public relations and tend to keep him occupied with other things and away from the public view. At least when they can manage it.

Biden is Obama's assassination insurance plan.

I played this YouTube video before the press conference to prepare myself emotionally...

Originally posted by WhiteAlice
That is an rather awkward use of the term "mortally wounded", which is generally associated with death of a victim. However, he's not really misusing the term "mortal wound" at all. A mortal wound is one that threatens life but can be survived with prompt medical attention. It's a wound that threatens the loss of life, not assures the loss of life 100% of the time. So, technically, Giffords WAS mortally wounded and if it hadn't been for medical intervention, then she would have died due to a mortal wound. However, she survived and became simply wounded. Mortal, as an adjective, means liable or subject to death. It's an implication of extreme severity as well. One can hold mortal fear but that doesn't mean that they are going to die from that fear. They are simply extremely afraid.

Gotta love the English language in all its infinite complexities. Totally agree with the prior posters' remarks about Biden's use of clips though. They are magazines--not clips!

Thank you, thank you, thank you. It was driving me crazy that nobody seemed to know that. Doesn't anyone read anymore? It's a context issue and the fact that she is alive is exactly how you know that he meant serious or severe.

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by sheepslayer247

 

I don't expect the plumber I hire to quote Shakespeare.

I don't buy my lunch from someone who can quote Pi to the 4,737th digit.

But I do expect more from the Vice-president of the (what are we at?) the 7th most powerful nation on the continent!

Perhaps that is why so many are constantly disappointed in our elected officials; we expect them to be bigger and better than they really are.

Plumbers make mistakes.

Pi quoting lunch vendors make mistakes.

and vice presidents of the US make mistakes.

reply to post by sheepslayer247

vice presidents of the US make mistakes.

I've noticed that some of them do it a lot.

I've noticed that lately.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000

Well, you tend to live with half your attention focused over 4 years in the past. I'm focused on the present. Your thoughts take you to a man who is but a piece of this nation's history. I'm looking at the men who still run it and make life and death decisions every day.

Your comparisons are....interesting in a 'What has it got to do with anything', kinda of way. I mean Dan Quayle was a bumbling idiot if we want REAL comparisons ...but that is reaching a bit into the pages of recent history just to draw the example. It was also a far different world when Quayle was making an ass out of himself with school children and potatoes.

So you do not want the precedents set by other Presidents/Vice Presidents brought up? You only want a Biden Bashing thread? My apologies. May I suggest next time you add a disclaimer in your OP stating that fact so as to avoid any confusion.

It's a far more dangerous world we live in now where such idiocy from men with SO much power is chilling. It really is.

I would point out how utterly uninformed that statement is. However you seem to have banned History from your thread so I can't

reply to post by ANOK

They're not socialists, they're liberals.

They aren't "liberals" they just play one on tv liberals what the word actually means is freedom.

People who go around banning things are not liberal.

reply to post by sheepslayer247


When a plumber screws up, we get a mop.
When a lunch vendor screws up, we get a napkin.
When a lawyer screws up, he gets debarred and/or we go to jail.
When a doctor screws up, (s)he gets malpractice and we may die or be injured.

When a politician screws up, nations go to war.

So yeah, being held to a higher standard is part of the fracking job!

Bidenisms are my new favorite thing. The man misspeaks so often that I hereby proclaim him the King of the Gaffe. I've missed Bush for all of his hilarious Bushisms, but Bidenisms are great, though being honest they pale in comparison to some Dubya quotes:

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."—Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004

"Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?"—Florence, S.C., Jan. 11, 2000

"You know, when I campaigned here in 2000, I said, I want to be a war president. No president wants to be a war president, but I am one."—Des Moines, Iowa, Oct. 26, 2006

Source.

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by sheepslayer247

 

When a plumber screws up, we get a mop.
When a lunch vendor screws up, we get a napkin.
When a lawyer screws up, he gets debarred and/or we go to jail.
When a doctor screws up, (s)he gets malpractice and we may die or be injured.

When a politician screws up, nations go to war.

So yeah, being held to a higher standard is part of the fracking job!

So Biden using the world 'mortally' in a context you disagree with can potentially start a war?

Anyway, what you have proven is that we all make mistakes.

Mission accomplished.