reply to post by phyllida
Neither God nor Man fear women. When I am attacked for being a Christian by an Atheist, should I blame "Atheists" or just the one's that attack me
for being a believer? There are men who hate women; but, not for the reasons you think. They fear themselves submitting to women because they fear
their own lack of self control. I want to hit some of the points you made.
Lets start with Marie Antoinette. She did not say "Let them eat cake". Her cousin, I believe, was told there was no bread for the poor and she said,
"Let them eat pie crust". Louis actually had many opportunities to avoid being overthrown and refused to take them. Pop history is just that.
You mention that we don't marry off 5 year old boys, nope, instead we send them off to war, to work in mines, to fend for themselves. As far as God,
either you believe in a God or you do not, if you do not then you cannot blame him for the actions of people.
The only God I can talk about is the God of the bible. To understand the Old Testament, one has to understand the common practices of the time and
they were not good. Men would war against a people and take their women as treasures. They didn't have to marry them, they were true sex slaves to be
traded around. God said that the Jews were not to be that way.
As far as things being the same today, you must be young. I remember when women were literally paid less for the exact same job and that is now
illegal. I remember when my sister could not wear pants. I remember when my aunt was arrested for wearing a bikini at the beach. Today more women are
graduating college then men and are actually more likely to have a job. To deny that things have changed is to give no credit to all the hard work put
in by men and women to change things.
You mention Judaism treating women as "unclean". Think about what happened when women were on their periods at a time when they had to let their
husbands have sex with them. That old Jewish tradition protected them from that. I had a wife and three daughters, I had them all menstruate at the
same time, I wish I could have hid in a tent outside.
I don't want it to sound as if I don't understand what you are saying and I do. There are bad men who seek to control women and there are bad women
who use sex to get what they want. When we start seeing the opposite sex as the enemy, we are as bad as the bad men and bad women.
So although I have only briefly (believe it or not) touched on this subject, clearly the God that made us had something in mind that we are unaware
of. He made us sexual beings, beautiful, seductive and emotional and yet forbid us from acting on those emotions whilst allowing men the upper hand
and permission to use and abuse his other creations i.e. women. This treatment is of course justified in most religions by the alleged act of Eve, of
which women have been judged without proof. I'll shut up now
It is pretty clear that God made us sexual; but, he did not stop women from acting on those emotions. There is a vast difference between being with
one other person and sleeping with everyone without even caring about them. As for Eve, she was no more guilty than Adam, they both made their choice.
Adam was judged because of his actions, not hers. He tried to scapegoat her probably because he saw that she had not died from eating the fruit (for
it did not refer to an immediate physical death, merely an eventual one).
It sounds to me as if someone has hurt you and you have my sympathy. My wife of over 20 years cheated on me with her hiking partner and left me for
him. I knew him. One day after his girlfriend had moved, we were all going to dinner. I drove with him and my wife drove with friends in another car.
He was upset about his girlfriend moving and said that all women were liars and whores. I told that I disagreed. Not long after that he began sending
secret texts to my wife, as many as 50 a day according to her. He flattered her in every way he could and she allowed herself to believe it. After she
asked for the divorce, he dumped her. If you think real hard, maybe you can understand why. He had proved his point to himself. He never proved it to
me because I know many wonderful women. When we start only assuming the worst about all of the other sex, we are contributing to the problem. Peace.