posted on Mar, 22 2013 @ 08:13 AM
reply to post by FlyersFan
March 15, 2013 — The new head of the RCC, is Jorge Cardinal Bergoglio, who was formerly Archbishop of Buenos Aires, Argentina. With his election
he has chosen the name ”Francis”; Pope Francis I is of course well known by many persons in Argentina.
He was disliked, or at least felt ambivalently about, by Roman Catholic
traditionalists in that country, most notably for his negative attitude and resistance to the implementation of the Tridentine Use provisions
contained in Pope John Paul II motu proprio ‘Eccleisa Dei‘. The RC blogosphere has gone back and forth on this, but the truth seems to be coming
However, from the Roman traditionalist perspective, not much is to be expected.
The first Mass celebrated and televised by Pope Francis I, held in the Sistine
Chapel, was celebrated on a newly erected Cranmerian style communion table, in
front of the traditional altar.
Even the arrangement of the six altar candles
was somewhat strange, with each progressively inclined inward; this is in contrast
to the retro order that Novus Ordo Conservative Benedict tried to revive, with
the six candles in the Tridentine arrangement. Also noted was the lack of even
chanting the collect, another change from his liturgical more conservative
A Pope with a reformist inner call, eager to meet the people
There is objective data. For instance, at the onset of debate about the gay marriage bill in his country, Bergoglio suggested all bishops to choose a
moderate approach, such as leaving the intermediate consideration of de facto unions open. His political perception was there: he knew that former
President Néstor Kirchner was going to bet high on it, exerting pressure on legislators with good and bad arts. Besides this, the Cardinal believed
that the unfortunate manner in which the Episcopate had opposed the divorce law in Argentina could not be afforded. He thought, eventually, that
closed opposition was counterproductive. In fact, that was the single occasion when, as President of the Episcopate, he had lost the election. Time
proved he was right.
There is more: last year he shook the Church when, during a lecture at the Universidad Católica Argentina, he called "hypocritical and Pharisees"
those priests who refuse to baptize single mothers´children. For Bergoglio, this procedure is not only antievangelical and doctrinally mistaken, but
it also contradicts the traditional Catholic preaching against abortion. Many of those women had the courage and love to give birth alone, and it
would be utterly foolish to condemn them, he fired.
These examples are also useful to show that, beyond the narrow doctrinaire room for change in the Catholic Church, Bergoglio has always been willing
to advance in territories that show no major obstacles. Might he dare to reconsider the refusal to give communion to those divorced in a new union,
and even allow it, at least in certain cases?
SO he really doesnt care for church law, or its mandates. Even when he wasnt pope, he made changes as HE SAW FIT. Typical modernist reformist. He
capitulates to political power and lets IT shape the church.
If you look even lightly at what people are saying about him that know him HE IS A SELF PROFESSED modernist. I dont need sources really. That is like
asking what political party Reagan was.....
He is known for it. His carreer is full of instances of self appointed authority to do what HE saw fit and make church law as he interpreted it. THAT
is why flyers.
There are SOO many examples I wont even save people the trouble of doing a little "here let me google that for you" link. It is as easy as saying
"what church law?"
I see you even linked one of his latest tossing of traditions.
Hey why not change the lords prayer to an abridged version of "kum ba yah" while he is at it. It is so much "nicer" and pleasant.
You know what happens when an institution breaks away with its principles? It fails. Like any political party or other organization you can think of
that turned its back on its principles in light of "noble ideas". They are just gone one day.
That is why the Church has lost everything from attendance, to membership, to enrollment in the ranks of the cloth for over half a century since it
started down this destructive path.
It is just another PC whore fest now, and not even the best one. If you are into that sort of thing you could just join a crap PC group out to save
something or the other and meet girls and guys that actually put out and party.....If that is what you are looking for...
edit on 22-3-2013 by tadaman because: (no reason given)