Can a man be raped by woman?

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posted on Mar, 21 2013 @ 06:02 AM
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reply to post by pheonix358
 

Im a woman

But i certainly agree that NO means NO.




posted on Mar, 21 2013 @ 06:03 AM
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reply to post by doobydoll
 





Acute fear alone can root a victim to the spot and not move an inch. Not a rape case, but regarding being so terrified that it becomes impossible to run away even though the opportunity is there:



hey...sounds terrible and I agree with you here. But that's the female's perspective. I can't think of a man being scared #less from a woman trying to rape him.

So, I completely understand your reaction after what you commented. And if it means something...I would gladly castrate your ex...one thing I don't stand for...it's abusers.



posted on Mar, 21 2013 @ 06:06 AM
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There are many different ways of threatening people. Without even the act actually happening, for instance, a woman can rip her own clothes, mess up her hair, and in the right situation, walk out of a room where she was with a man, and claim in front of others that he raped her.....

Photoshop or CGI something faked, and threaten to send it to his wife, employer, etc. I'm sure everyone catches the drift of what I'm trying to say about different methods of threatening. So, yes, then, it's entirely possible and probably happens quite a bit. Also, statistically, difficult to say, because reporting such a thing to police is hard enough for a woman. Can't even imagine how awful it would be for a man, the belief factor, probably talking to other males in police situations trying to convince them (especially difficult if the woman is very attractive--detective easily skeptical, yeah, sure, right), the pride and shame and degradation factor that the way we are socialized as men and women sexually in our society would make it very difficult for a man, I would think, in that situation, and complex, too.

I'm not willing to get more graphic than that in the nuts and bolts of "how," because just thinking about it enough to have written that, is more than difficult for me.
But I would say, definitely, yes, at least, in my mind, a man can be raped.



posted on Mar, 21 2013 @ 06:09 AM
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A male can be raped by a female. It can be through coercion, an adult woman with a teenage boy. I'm sure most of you remember how teenage boys are. A man can be tied up and even as much as he doesn't want to have sex his body may respond. He could be given Viagra. There's lots of ways and it's just as disgusting and violent as when a man does it to a woman.



posted on Mar, 21 2013 @ 06:17 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

OP, you quoted from the wiki but I'm puzzled why you seem to have the opinion that rape has to involve sexual intercourse, when the very quote you gave does not say that. It says "usually".

The wiki article on rape also gives definitions, and some of those make it plain that rape can occur if there is penetration of vagina or anus and in fact that's in the FBI's definition:

In 2012, the FBI changed their definition from "The carnal knowledge of a female forcibly and against her will." to "The penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim." for their annual Uniform Crime Reports. The definition, which had remained unchanged since 1927, was considered outdated and narrow. The updated definition includes any gender of victim and perpetrator, not just women being raped by men, recognizes that rape with an object can be as traumatic as penile/vaginal rape, includes instances in which the victim is unable to give consent because of temporary or permanent mental or physical incapacity, and recognizes that a victim can be incapacitated and thus unable to consent because of ingestion of drugs or alcohol. However, the definition does not change federal or state criminal codes or impact charging and prosecution on the federal, state or local level; it rather means that rape will be more accurately reported nationwide.
(Bolding mine)
From Wikipedia article on rape

Just as is the case when women are raped, a man does not even need to be conscious to be raped, and rape does not have to involve the penis. I hope that's clear, because it's crucial to the whole concept of rape, whether it's man against woman or any other combination of the two genders. The argument about "fighting back" (or not) simply does not cover all scenarios.

Obviously then, women can rape men, just as women can rape women. Women raping men is rare (only about 1% of all rape cases are perpetrated by women and not all of those would be against men), but as long as you keep in mind what is defined as rape (eg by the FBI), you can see that there is no need to try and imagine a scenario where drugs like Viagra are used. Yes, that can be the case but it's not necessary for a rape.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

edit on 21/3/13 by JustMike because: coding



posted on Mar, 21 2013 @ 06:18 AM
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Can a man be raped by woman?,


Yes, but is unlikely

ETA

Yes it happens not as often as men raping women and not that many men would report it (though also many women who have been raped go unreported)

edit on 21-3-2013 by gps777 because: removed sandwich comment, and added more to the topic.



posted on Mar, 21 2013 @ 06:19 AM
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Originally posted by tetra50
There are many different ways of threatening people. Without even the act actually happening, for instance, a woman can rip her own clothes, mess up her hair, and in the right situation, walk out of a room where she was with a man, and claim in front of others that he raped her.....

Photoshop or CGI something faked, and threaten to send it to his wife, employer, etc. I'm sure everyone catches the drift of what I'm trying to say about different methods of threatening.


Lady getting naked case...so you would have unwilling sex with a woman, for fear of being exposed to your wife for something you didn't do? You are easy than, man


You can only blackmail or coerce someone, who has something to hide.


Photoshop case...fine...I'll take it to the first Photo expert and he will find proof that the pics are faked. Once again...he who has nothing to hide....


And if you have something to hide, and you get blackmailed in to having sex...than I wouldn't call that rape. Because, you actually agreed to it for fear of being exposed. That might be coercion at best...but still...I wouldn't call it rape. Because the act of having sex, in that moment was not forced upon you. You were kinda..."talked in to it"...being what you are, doing what you do....

But that's just my op



posted on Mar, 21 2013 @ 06:20 AM
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Originally posted by Kali74
A male can be raped by a female. It can be through coercion, an adult woman with a teenage boy. I'm sure most of you remember how teenage boys are. A man can be tied up and even as much as he doesn't want to have sex his body may respond. He could be given Viagra. There's lots of ways and it's just as disgusting and violent as when a man does it to a woman.


I think with a male its just mind power over physical and you may find out the females respect you more when not so weakly distracted into seduction to avoid issues.( they even try to understand why your different and so may even try more ) Some less experienced men would allow the issue distraction w/ seduction some more experienced men would not.



posted on Mar, 21 2013 @ 06:20 AM
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A male can be raped by a female. It can be through coercion, an adult woman with a teenage boy.


Let's limit this to adult woman vs adult man.


Thanks.



posted on Mar, 21 2013 @ 06:23 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

reply to post by gps777
 

I think you're right: from what members here have said on the subject of males being raped in various threads over the years -- sometimes citing their personal experiences -- very few actually report it or seek to press charges. I gues it's partly because of the shame involved along with the trauma of going through a trial -- and that would apply in many cases where women are victims, too.

But also, it seems that if the perp is female a male victim is even less likely to report it, because as a member (who did report the crime) said recently, not even the judge would believe him and told him that it was "impossible".

And that's in spite of the fact that even the FBI has stats to show that such cases do occur.


As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

edit on 21/3/13 by JustMike because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 21 2013 @ 06:27 AM
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OP, you quoted from the wiki but I'm puzzled why you seem to have the opinion that rape has to involve sexual intercourse, when the very quote you gave does not say that. It says "usually".



well, it doesn't necessarily. But when we common folks discuss rape, we usually mean forced sex. I know there are many variations of rape, and many ways in which one could get..."nailed" so to say...but in this case I'm going for the age old way...for the sake of the argument "men raped by women".


I talking about the guys who "don't fight back while being raped"...unless some SF scenario where 4 college girls got drunk, drugged you and made sweet wild rodeo show on you pole...er...I mean...raped you



posted on Mar, 21 2013 @ 06:28 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

reply to post by MarioOnTheFly
 

I agree. Please everyone, stay on the topic of whether you believe/know that a woman is able to rape a man. Adult female versus adult male. Nothing else, unless it involves adults in the context of this discussion (as eg I have mentioned in my post above by way of comparison.)

As a fellow ATS member, I ask that we do not stray into areas that will get the thread closed for breaches of the T&Cs.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Mar, 21 2013 @ 06:29 AM
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My wife has told me about several accounts at UCF where female students have raped the male students.
Not pleasantly either. Let's just say foreign objects in various holes.

The answer to your question is yes. Men can be given date rape drugs just as easily as women can.
And rape can happen.

Rape is about having power over someone rather than just sexual relations.

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posted on Mar, 21 2013 @ 06:29 AM
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Originally posted by bloodreviara
The answer is yes indeed they can, a news story i read a few months ago
went something like this: Man breaks into shop to steal some things, women
somehow disables him and ties him up, feeds him nothing but Viagra and
well i doubt i gotta tell the rest there, so it can and does happen just much
more rare than the other way around.


Viagra has nothing to do with arousal,though once aroused viagra maintains blood in that *region* which keeps the erection.

So the man had to have been aroused naturally first.

Of coarse its possible for a woman to rape a man.



posted on Mar, 21 2013 @ 06:33 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

reply to post by MarioOnTheFly
 

That's the point I'm trying to make, OP.


If we continue to think that rape means "forced sex", we have to understand that definition is too narrow and in fact it's just plain wrong to limit it to that. Intercourse between the two people is not required for rape to occur. The two juveniles who were recently convicted of rape did not "have sex" with their young, female victim. But it was still rape!

It is essential that we move away from old-fashioned, narrow definitions and take on board the fact that rape can involve other methods of interaction than "forced sex".

EDIT: and just to add, even if you want to only talk about "forced sex" rape where guys are conscious, aware and don't fight back, why on Earth are you limiting the discussion to that alone? Why do you want to ignore the fact that rape goes far beyond that limited point of view?

Are you trying to take just one segment of the rape offenses for some reason? I just don't get it.



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edit on 21/3/13 by JustMike because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 21 2013 @ 06:35 AM
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Let me just state for everybody...I concede cases of man rape, where somebody drugged you and you were helpless to fight back. I know it happens as some members already pointed out.

But, unless you were helpless, you had the power to resist or to reject...whatever the situation may be...



posted on Mar, 21 2013 @ 06:35 AM
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Originally posted by bloodreviara
The answer is yes indeed they can, a news story i read a few months ago
went something like this: Man breaks into shop to steal some things, women
somehow disables him and ties him up, feeds him nothing but Viagra and
well i doubt i gotta tell the rest there, so it can and does happen just much
more rare than the other way around.


The woman had a supply of Viagra at hand? just in case?



posted on Mar, 21 2013 @ 06:38 AM
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Originally posted by JustMike
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

reply to post by MarioOnTheFly
 

That's the point I'm trying to make, OP.


If we continue to think that rape means "forced sex", we have to understand that definition is too narrow and in fact it's just plain wrong to limit it to that. Intercourse between the two people is not required for rape to occur. The two juveniles who were recently convicted of rape did not "have sex" with their young, female victim. But it was still rape!

It is essential that we move away from old-fashioned, narrow definitions and take on board the fact that rape can involve other methods of interaction than "forced sex".

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.


So eventually men will shy away from female contact so as not to incur a rape charge?



posted on Mar, 21 2013 @ 06:38 AM
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You raise some valid points, definitely. Probably shouldn't have replied because I'm too tired to hold up my end of the debate well. However, as to your first points, I am a female....so, I probably just don't see it the same as you right there.

What your OP had me thinking of was a movie I saw several months ago, can't remember the name, but the situation was an African American male in middle management, and the temp girl cornered him in the bathroom after several drinks at an office X-mas party, and pulled what I described on him when he wouldn't willingly have sex with her. She was drop dead gorgeous,and all other guys in office were chasing her tail anyway, complicating things further in the belief department.

I agree, however, with quite a bit of your assessment, but I think it's more complex than you describe. Taking a stand for your innnocence and having nothing to hide is all well and good, theoretically, but in actuality, life isn't quite that simple. Just the right accusation in a wrongn situation, without even much foundation, can literally rip someone's life apart, even if you can prove the photoshopping, let's say. There's still gonna be that "niggle" in t he back of people's minds when they look at you. That's just reality. I've seen it happen to men just that way.

But this part:


And if you have something to hide, and you get blackmailed in to having sex...than I wouldn't call that rape. Because, you actually agreed to it for fear of being exposed. That might be coercion at best...but still...I wouldn't call it rape. Because the act of having sex, in that moment was not forced upon you. You were kinda..."talked in to it"...being what you are, doing what you do....

I absolutely totally disagree with. If you have sex when you do not want to be having sex and have said no, and for whatever reason, end up having the sex, all the time hating it and meaning no with every bit of your consciousness, despite and regardless of whatever your body may be doing reactively, it is still rape, in my opinion. No still means no, as almost everyone has pointed out.



posted on Mar, 21 2013 @ 06:40 AM
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Originally posted by JustMike
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

reply to post by MarioOnTheFly
 

That's the point I'm trying to make, OP.


If we continue to think that rape means "forced sex", we have to understand that definition is too narrow and in fact it's just plain wrong to limit it to that. Intercourse between the two people is not required for rape to occur. The two juveniles who were recently convicted of rape did not "have sex" with their young, female victim. But it was still rape!

It is essential that we move away from old-fashioned, narrow definitions and take on board the fact that rape can involve other methods of interaction than "forced sex".

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.




I'm guilty on that one. For me...the word RAPE itself has a meaning...without going for the official definition. It has a meaning of forced sexual intercourse. Perhaps we should start using different words for cases like you mentioned.

For instance, statutory rape...is considered a rape. You get a rap sheet...you are branded for life...yet...it could be completely consentual. It's till a crime by law...but should it be called RAPE?

A word RAPE has a certain energy around itself...a dirty, dark, sick energy.





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