Americans Are Losing Their Religion -- But the Fundamentalists Have a Plan

If someone is forced to do something, then it's not from their heart, and it becomes fake. Forced religion is fake belief, then there are a bunch of liars in the movement, for their self interests like, not getting killed.

I saw a trend in the OP that the religion went down when the Internet went up. The idea of sitting in a pew watching someone lost its appeal when people could type back.

It's end time season. The church is out of alignment. They just don't know how to get along with one another. Too many doctrine problems.

reply to post by AfterInfinity


Agreed, and those, I think, are the worst offenders. What they're doing is to make themselves feel good and feel worthy of "salvation" based on guilt, whether it's original sin, or whatever fear they have for past transgressions. Again, I want to stress - these are fringe people, not mainstream, honest-to-goodness Christians who would help a fellow man, would protect widows and orphans, simply because it's the right thing to do.

No need to make them hang a crucifix on their wall or tell them they are tainted, fallen souls. I hate that!

When you say "Judaism", though, I keep thinking you're talking about Jews as opposed to Muslims or Christians. All of the Abrahamic faiths use the "men are fallen and sinful" thing, and I think it's wrong.

reply to post by Sandalphon

If someone is forced to do something, then it's not from their heart, and it becomes fake. Forced religion is fake belief, then there are a bunch of liars in the movement, for their self interests like, not getting killed.

Exactly, or not burning in hell, and that's why I call it psy-ops. There are several ways to "force" people to do things, and psychological damage is one of the most insidious ways to do so.

Abusers are masters at it, whether or not they realize consciously what they're doing to their "victims" is kind of beside the point. Manipulation is a dreadful "skill".

Thanks for pitching in!

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by logical7

 

Its sick to prey on ignorant people just because they desperately need money!!

Yes, it is.
But to impose sick, backward, destructive beliefs on unsuspecting people who didn't ask for it is arguably even WORSE!
It's one thing to screw people over for money - it's quite another to RUIN THEIR LIVES and POISON THEIR MINDS.

They are monsters. I'm sorry, on behalf of America, that this is one of our countries "exports."
Heaven forbid. Really.

Heaven?? *knock knock* ARE YOU PAYING ATTENTION??!

edit on 20-3-2013 by wildtimes because: (no reason given)

They are paying attention. Are you paying attention to what they are up to right now on earth? If you seek information then you will find information. A lot of people seem to be shining now days.

I saw in a later post that you had noticed Sarah already. She is one of my favorites also. One of the soulsisters. .

From my point of view where the term god is used as the truth behind spirituality that I do not know everything about:
Lose religion all you want. It is not like god created it. God is still waiting for humanity to grow up. God knows how to reach any soul and from my point of view conditioning to one view is more in the way than a help. It makes you small minded. But then I want to know all about god not religion.



You just know Sarah has gotten it .

reply to post by LittleByLittle


not sure what to make of your post, Little.
Thanks for participating, though. Could you clarify a bit on how "they are paying attention"?
And who is "shining"? So that I might address your thoughts more pertinently...

EDIT:
Ah!!! Yeah, I agree. She gets it. Thanks for expounding on your thinking!

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by LittleByLittle

 

not sure what to make of your post, Little.
Thanks for participating, though. Could you clarify a bit on how "they are paying attention"?
And who is "shining"? So that I might address your thoughts more pertinently...

EDIT:
Ah!!! Yeah, I agree. She gets it. Thanks for expounding on your thinking!

edit on 21-3-2013 by wildtimes because: (no reason given)

I will give you three more. You will have to notice the rest for yourself because telling somebody what is going on instead of them finding out for themselves becomes counterproductive might cause resistance in the mind. People are not paying attention to the lyrics they are hearing and I did not either. It was an eye opener when I noticed the hidden in plain sight.

reply to post by LittleByLittle


Got it. Brilliant, all of them Thanks.
I love Gnarls Barkley -
CeeLo also.

Adelle.... numerous others....Enya, Jars of Clay, Lifehouse, Beethoven, Bach, Mozart, Evanescence.... so many!! Can't even think of them all!!

I think music is a profound expression of God.

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by heyitsok

 

Sorry, not seeing your point.
Could you please clarify?

I don't see ONE TINY THING about the religious-right zealots' exportation of their rabid "beliefs" and hatred that is noble or humane.

Probably what he means is that it is seculars who are doing more damage promoting a One World Totalitarian religion of Socialism under the guise of concerns for the environment...ok well I added the qualifiers but that is probably pretty close to it.
I wonder if it is Protestants causing the economic crisis in Cyprus.
The late Professor Antony Sutton showed how the Order of Skull and Bones changed the educational system by inserting John Dewey(a signer of the Humanist Manifesto) who believed that children were the property of the State and that it was the State's responsibility to mold them into whatever little cog in the wheel the State wanted.

From Antony Sutton's book "How The Order Creates War and Revolution"

War, the organized conflict of nations for Hegelians, is only the visible outcome of the clash between ideas. As John Dewey, the Hegelian darling of the modern educational system, puts it:
"War is the most effective preacher of the vanity of all merely finite interests, it puts an end to that selfish egoism of the individual by which he would claim his life and his property as his own or as his family's."

(John Dewey, German Philosophy And Politics, p. 197)
Above all, the Hegelian doctrine is the divine right of States rather than the divine right of kings. The State for Hegel and Hegelians is God on earth:


"The march of God in history is the cause of the existence of states, their foundation is the power of Reason realizing itself as will. Every state, whatever it be, participates in the divine essence. The State is not the work of human art, only Reason could produce it."

(Philosophy Of Right)

For Hegel the individual is nothing, the individual has no rights, morality consists solely in following a leader. For the ambitious individual the rule is Senator Mansfield's maxim: "To get along you have to go along."

Compare this to the spirit and letter of the Constitution of the United States: "We the people" grant the state some powers and reserve all others to the people. Separation of church and state is built into the U.S. Constitution, a denial of Hegel's "the State is God on earth."



Yet, compare this legal requirement to the actions of The Order in the United States, The Group in England, the Illuminati in Germany, and the Politburo in Russia. For these elitists the State is supreme and a self-appointed elite running the State acts indeed as God on earth.

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

Oh yes, I nearly forgot, it was secular humanists who sought to remove Christianity from the schools and replace it with the ideology and agendas of secular humanism(for all intents and purposes, the purposes of the State as Skull and Bones sees it).
Did I mention that many members of Skull and Bones go on to become CFR members and persons of power in finance, industry, education, and government?

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by nenothtu

 

I'd like to see that movie!
Have you perchance seen "The Mission", with Jeremy Irons and Robert deNiro?
Another excellent view of the Jesuits this time, in tribal south america.

Yup, I've seen it. I used to have the DVD, before a series of unfortunate events saw a goodly portion of my belongings stolen. Another good one in the same vein, although it's from a different perspective - that of the French Jesuits in Canada - is called "the Black Robe".

My husband was in the Army National Guard as a Military Police Officer for years, and he was assigned duty in Panama, where they were trying to build schools. His job was to protect the people while this was done from the insurgent guerillas. He tells a story about how the 'natives' there could chop a tree down in one stroke with a machete - and they did so to help the soldiers get their Hummer unstuck at one point. But make no mistake, they could easily have hacked a man in half as well....

so it was a mixed signal of sorts to the "troops" there.

That's a fact that I don't doubt for an instant. I have one of those machetes - a short one, from El Salvador, and short though it is (the blade ain't but about 10" or so long), I can take down a fair sized sapling, bigger around than my arm, in four strokes or less. It could, and some like it have, made short work of a head in a bar room brawl. Bar room fights are where at least some of the bodies occasionally found in the city dump in San Salvador came from, rather than "Death Squads". That's not anything you would have heard on the Nightly News back here, though - it didn't fit into the political narrative they were trying to spin up about that war.

What you say is so true and important, neno. I think that simply going and helping, with NO ULTERIOR MOTIVE of preaching or "saving" souls, would be a better approach. With real charity, there is no "now you have to do this" - no expectation of anything 'in return' for the service or help. Using charity to push an agenda is what troubles me.

I don't believe a deity has any need to "strike deals". Furthermore, charity work HAS to be no strings attached, without ulterior motives, or else it's not "charity", it's "business" - a trade transaction. When you do people a good turn, without demanding a return on your investment, it frequently causes them to wonder what sort of a person would do that. When they ask you, to find out, THERE is an opening. Not "You like that new well? It's gonna cost you having to stay awake through a series of sermons you don't want to hear now". If they never ask, well, that isn't your problem, because that's not why you did it to begin with. As a matter of fact, requiring a trade will sometimes put your intended recipients off of the deal, and cause them to refuse the aid you had meant to give them. You can't improve their lives if they refuse the assistance because they know you're just after something.

It goes along with my basic philosophy that no missionary, any where, any time, has EVER "saved a soul". God is in the business of saving souls - people just don't have that sort of power. All we can do is teach. What is done with that teaching, how it is received and acted upon, is up to God. That's also why I detest those brow-beating "altar calls". 99 % of the people who answer them are only doing it to be seen doing it, and to avoid the recriminations of "the faithful" if they refuse. Within a month, most of the time, they are back to living like hell all week long and expecting to get to heaven on a technicality because they go to church on Sundays.

Oh, Lord!!
I just cued up on youtube the film "The Lord's Boot Camp" (aka Jesus Camp) -
their mission is "teaching missionaries"
this 13-year old says "We are the ambulance for souls." "They're gonna die! It's just whether they go to heaven or hell!"

wow.
Cameroon, Cambodia....."work as a team, and take orders well"
Sorry, this is just .... makes me speechless...
Please, people of ATS, watch this!

Originally posted by AfterInfinity

Perfect example of why I disapprove of Judaism. When you're dragging guilt and self-reprimand around like a rock, how do you ever expect to fly on the wings of forgiveness? It's actually quite genius:

Until you accept forgiveness from the outside to offset the guilt swelling within, you will forever be burdened with self-incrimination. As long as you condemn your own nature, you'll have no choice but to seek forgiveness and sell your soul for salvation. It's a perfect psychological trap.

"Forgiveness" is a strange and elusive creature. As long as we drag around that internal rock, no amount of external forgiveness is going to affect our lives in the short term. Until one can recognize the external forgiveness, whether from a deity or from the injured party, and then let go of their own internal condemnation, they are still among the damned - the only difference is that they put themselves in that position. Forgiveness from an external source is perhaps a grand thing, but without an ability to forgive ourselves, it has no practical effect.

As long as we are beating ourselves, we are still being beaten. There are those upon the "mission field" who use that all too human frailty for their own ends, to make themselves feel better about what they think THEY have done. In the end, I think they're in for a major letdown. They'll likely be hearing that phrase "depart from me ye workers of iniquity, for I know you not" - in spite of what they think THEY have done.

reply to post by nenothtu

That's also why I detest those brow-beating "altar calls". 99 % of the people who answer them are only doing it to be seen doing it, and to avoid the recriminations of "the faithful" if they refuse. Within a month, most of the time, they are back to living like hell all week long and expecting to get to heaven on a technicality because they go to church on Sundays.

It is too bad the Progressives are "overlooking" the activities of Sharia creeping ever so slowly into Western culture. You'd think it would mess up their secular program.

Part two


Appalling.

part three:
"We're not going there to build homes, or give food.......yeah, we'll do those things, but we're going there to save souls from hell."

Disturbing. Anyone still paying attention needs to watch these segments and understand what is going on, how these kids are being used "because everybody likes kids"......a scene in a retirement home will make you weep.....
and many others will do so as well.

And then there is the World Council of Churches(under the umbrella of the UN)

"WHAT IN THE WORLD IS THE WORLD COUNCIL OF CHURCHES?" This
catchy question is also the title of a 1978 publication of
the WCC. It is an obvious attempt to answer some of the
vital questions and criticisms which are being raised by
those who love Jesus Christ and who value our cherished
American freedoms. However, far from answering such
questions and complaints, a discerning reader will discover
that the WCC actually confirms the charges of doctrinal
deviations and political radicalism.

We are concerned when we find so many true, Bible-believing
Christians who still hold membership in denominations which
are a part of the WCC (see complete listing of USA and
Canada member denominations on the last page). We also
believe that others, both within and without the church, who
believe in our free-enterprise system should be informed as
to how ecumenical church leaders are seeking to replace
capitalism with some form of socialism or communism under
the false label of the Kingdom of God.

THE POLITICAL RADICALISM OF THE WORLD COUNCIL OF CHURCHES isapparent. Just as in the case of doctrinal diversities, the
WCC boasts of its ability to hold together exact opposites
in the realm of politics. They say, "On other issues the
churches recognize strong differences of opinion and seek to
maintain a continuing dialogue among their own members.
These differences are not limited to trivial matters. For
example, THE WORLD COUNCIL OF CHURCHES INCLUDES PACIFIST MEMBER CHURCHES .... IT ALSO INCLUDES REVOLUTIONARIES. Both groups contribute insights to the WCC. They continue to try to influence each other. And the WCC INCLUDES BOTH WITHIN ITS FELLOWSHIP." There you have it in their own words.

www.apfn.org...

Just thought you would like to know how radical revolutionary political thought is parading around as Universal religion.

reply to post by wildtimes

"We're not going there to build homes, or give food.......

Of course that's the problem you have with them, you believe children are and should be the wards of the State, just as John Dewey preached, and you want the State to build homes and give food under the Totalitarian Utopian model, so anyone who has a different idea about what is important to the salvation of the soul will be under fire from you.

Also, were you aware that the Salvation Army is run by the infamous Rothschilds, who just combined their wealth and power with the Rockefellers, that infamous family who set up the Rockefeller Foundation which is now joined by the Gates Foundation to disseminate vaccinations around the world, and please don't forget that the Rockefeller model of eugenics and population control is a foundational cornerstone of the UN division of family planning and Bill Gates is a member of the elite Club of Rome, which is the elite foundation of the UN Agenda 21..

Such lofty ideals.

Oh yah, there's even more to this.

It's the Common Core curriculum being forced into our schools by the World Socialist elites, at the FEDERAL level, and the individual states who were to receive stimulus funding have to comply. It is all about anti-Americanism and the destruction of the foundation of our Founding Fathers and why we fought the Revolutionary War.

Let's start with the bad and ugly. The Brookings Institution issued a report last week that wasn't too kind to the Common Core State Standards, arguing that they will do nothing to help lagging student performance. Here's a sample: "The empirical evidence suggests that the Common Core will have little effect on American students' achievement. The nation will have to look elsewhere for ways to improve its schools."

Some lawmakers say the standards represent an intrusion of the federal government into a fundamental state and local prerogative. In Utah, some lawmakers want to make sure the state Legislature signs off on any federal directives related to the Common Core standards before they are implemented, to guard against "federal tentacles."

education.nationaljournal.com...

And more on Common Core(funded by Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and GE)

shop.arccopy.com...

reply to post by nenothtu

When you do people a good turn, without demanding a return on your investment, it frequently causes them to wonder what sort of a person would do that.

When they ask you, to find out, THERE is an opening.

Not "You like that new well? It's gonna cost you having to stay awake through a series of sermons you don't want to hear now".

If they never ask, well, that isn't your problem, because that's not why you did it to begin with.

As a matter of fact, requiring a trade will sometimes put your intended recipients off of the deal, and cause them to refuse the aid you had meant to give them.

You can't improve their lives if they refuse the assistance because they know you're just after something.

Ahh.
Precisely. Thanks again!

(I broke up your text into sentences, hoping that people will reread them.....)

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

Also, were you aware that the Salvation Army is run by the infamous Rothschilds

The Salvation Army is as far from actual "Christianity" as it can possibly be.

EDIT: ThirdEye, I'm amazed that you are participating here.
How rich are you, exactly?

I really have a lot of trouble following your way of thinking, but I know very well that it's hostile, angry, and defensive.
What is really up with that?

I'm not even sure why you decided to comment here.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

It is too bad the Progressives are "overlooking" the activities of Sharia creeping ever so slowly into Western culture. You'd think it would mess up their secular program.

I understand that Sharia is becoming quite the bone of contention in the UK, France, Holland, and several other European hotspots, but not so much in the US as yet. The thing to understand about Sharia is that it's not so much "Islamic" as it is a function of the cultures which gave birth to Islam - rather than really being a "religious thing", it's more a cultural thing. The Sharia practiced in Saudi Arabia is somewhat different from that practiced in Pakistan or Iran, because of the cultural differences.

Where I am, I'm not too worried about creeping Sharia. These good ol' boy religious right Christian fundamentalists around here won't have any qualms at all about tossing lead downrange at people trying to push Sharia onto them.

See? They ARE good for something!

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

Also, were you aware that the Salvation Army is run by the infamous Rothschilds

The Salvation Army is as far from actual "Christianity" as it can possibly be.

EDIT: ThirdEye, I'm amazed that you are participating here.
How rich are you, exactly?

I really have a lot of trouble following your way of thinking, but I know very well that it's hostile, angry, and defensive.
What is really up with that?

I'm not even sure why you decided to comment here.

edit on 21-3-2013 by wildtimes because: (no reason given)

Oh but they provide food and clothing to poor children.

So I am not allowed to post here because you are the thread police? You don't like my ideas so you feel you must decide if I can post?

Why I decided to comment here, because the seculars are doing far more damage on a global scale and you refuse to see what is happening. I thought the World Council of Churches part was priceless don't you?

You obviously didn't get the transition from Christian ideals to the faith of secular humanism in schools via John Dewey, a signer of the Humanist Manifesto.

How rich I am or am not has no bearing whatsoever and it is none of your business.

Hostile? You see me that way because I don't back down. I wonder if you thought our guys fighting in WWII were being "hostile" when fighting the Nazis.

If being rich mattered, then surely Bill and Melinda Gates get the gold medal for being intrusively involved in pushing the One World global curriculum in the schools.

Why I decided to post here is because of the obvious hatred of Christianity embedded in the thread. I just thought I would explain to you the real damage done by seculars in the world today, and by people who believe in a godless secular socialist One World Global society, replete with the trappings of a World Socialist Utopia, and the musings of Hillary Clinton's "It Takes A Village" to raise our children.
That you cannot see how these monsters are using religion(which you seem to hate so virulently) to push their monstrous globalism is very telling to me. But they are gutting the real religions and sanitizing them, and changing doctrine to suit their globalist agenda.