Originally posted by windword
Mind altering substances can and do provide a conduit to "seeing" the unity of which you speak. When their effects wear off, the knowledge may be
retained. Of course their effects don't provide a permanent state of awareness, but neither does "love," as you have pointed out.
I don't look at love in the same way you are describing because ultimately it transcends good and evil, conventional love vs. hate, etc.
When self-transcending Love is recognized as the inherent (prior) unity that we all arise in, then it can be equated with God or Reality or Conscious
Light (whatever your preferred term is). This Love is always available in any moment of feeling recognition of our inherent non-separation. Certain
substances may open the subtle (astral/feeling) heart to this recognition, but even any such gained knowledge (and certainly the feeling) fades into
memory - at best.
One cannot truly love in this moment via a memory of an experience, it has to be now and now and now... So of course some people try to stay on such
substances to sustain this feeling, but that obviously takes its toll, and often is very severe.
Originally posted by windword
The OP asserts that God IS love. I say that God is more than that, as God is everything. The OP is unable to "define" love, but says the he knows it
when he sees or feels it. But depravity also comes from aberrated love, and "unity" can't be found through depravity.
Love is powerful and is expressed in good and evil.
This form of "love" is commonly assumed to be just the opposite of hate, but as explained above, this is not what I understand to be real Love. Real
Love is the case when one transcends the moment to moment process of separation that we identify as ego.
This separation we are continuously doing is the act of contracting upon some point within and calling it "me". This inner "me" is an illusion and is
only felt because we are separating in a gesture of unlove or non-feeling.
No one has ever seen such a "me" - because it is not an entity or thing, it is simply this moment to moment process of contracting the body-mind's
feeling into unlove.
The only "me" that is identifiable and obvious is the whole body-mind, not some inward contracted point. And when we truly integrate as the whole
body-mind, we realize our inherent relatedness with others - and real love awakens in each moment of such recognition. Drugs tend to dis-integrate the
body-mind over time - even if at first they may feel good, integrative, etc.
If we simply notice what is in front of our noses each and every moment - i.e., a vast field of relatedness - and feel deeply into this most obvious
condition, our feeling hearts will also open and we will notice this gesture of separation does not have to be animated by us. It is a moment to
moment practice of heart intelligence/feeling that counters this constant gesture to contract inwardly. It is not a one-shot deal that people
sometimes believe can be had with some weekend enlightenment seminar, a drug, or whatever.
This practice of love or feeling whole bodily (including the physical, emotional, mental, spiritual aspects) into our inherent unity moment to moment
is what Jesus meant when he said to love God fully and others as oneself.
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