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posted on Mar, 19 2013 @ 10:06 PM
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In the beginning god created "light" and called it day. Later he would send this light to the world in the man named Jesus Christ.

Jesus was there when Adam was formed. The bible says God is love, and God is light. So we can assume that Jesus also being referred to as light is love.

Imagine love as a spiritual state of mind. The evolution of our own mind towards perfection, the perfection of love. Maybe we cannot be made perfect but we can overcome what we call sin. The flesh always has desires that need to be dealt with but when you drop the desires of the flesh for the pursuit of love, you find love. This love is Jesus the one who only pursued love thus was without sin.

God is love, so Jesus understood this from the begging because he himself is love. He was made perfect, but he still had to learn. His task was to learn through us rather than through sin himself. So he watched how our sin destroyed us and separated us from Love/God. He was then sent in his perfection to teach us how we could become like him.

You see for Christ, the "how he died" would not have mattered in the slightest. The father had already promised him that his brothers and sisters would some day be saved through him. Anyone who knows the father would sacrifice anything if just one of our brothers would come to know the love of the father the way we do. The pain of death cannot compare to the joy of life provided to those who chose to pursue love.

Jesus is the love of the world so it is fitting that he came to us to teach us how to love. For those who are in sin Jesus also makes the promise that love keeps no record of wrong doing. No matter what you have done God loves you. If God himself was going to stop loving you for something you did, would he not have chosen a different path for you?

In the OT God admits that he is the good and the bad guy. That we have been doing exactly what his will is for us to do. What this means to him is beyond me. What it means to me is he loves us. All of us, and he has been subjecting to sin because he loves us.

WHY??????????????????????????????????????????????

Jesus was there in the Garden, hence let us make man in our image. Adam, before Eve came was given dominion over the world. It was not until this that Eve was taken out of Adam. Meaning the promise to Adam was to man and woman, because it was one Adam that was turned into 2 man and woman. This is why it is said when a man and woman come together 2 become one flesh. It is as if through marriage we are reunited man and woman as one Adam.

Jesus watched as the father sent the serpent to tempt Eve, knowing that the father had foreknowledge of the outcome. What did Eve and Adam eat, the tree of knowledge of good and evil. The father intended to teach us both "GOOD" and "EVIL". He wanted us to learn so that we could love like intelligent beings and not like on command robots.

The promise is eternal life with unconditional love. How can you understand eternity if you have not yet first feared death? How can you understand unconditional love without understanding the following, hate, evil, anger, murder, indifference, or conditional love?

What I am suggesting is we have learned enough. We are left with a choice we can let our sin destroy us because it is so out of control or we can overcome it. "WE" not me not you but "WE". Because if the commitment is any less than 7,000,000,000 than we have not saved everyone. If we want to live in a world of love and peace we need to act on it, indifference is not the path to peace.




posted on Mar, 19 2013 @ 10:51 PM
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This is why it is said when a man and woman come together 2 become one flesh.reply to post by sacgamer25
 


So... this above is why people love intimacy then.

It makes sense! lol

Seriously, love the passion that unfolds in your belief.


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posted on Mar, 19 2013 @ 11:02 PM
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Great op


This unconditional love for everyone is hard to understand when we are surrounded by such evil. I feel like there should be a better way to rid the world of sin besides killing people that have lost there way. Just look at the Son of Man that crushes the head of the beast it sounds like a very unloving action. Just how far down the path of sin do we have to go in the name of love in order to have peace?



posted on Mar, 19 2013 @ 11:38 PM
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Dear sacgamer25,



God is love, so Jesus understood this from the begging because he himself is love. He was made perfect, but he still had to learn. His task was to learn through us rather than through sin himself. So he watched how our sin destroyed us and separated us from Love/God. He was then sent in his perfection to teach us how we could become like him.


It says that there is none good but God, nowhere does it say we become perfect. There are people who claim to be christians that point to a verse where Jesus told either Pharisees or the Sadducee that they called themselves little gods and that was what they were. It was not a blessing. Hell is separation from God, if you are god then you are separate from all others. Jesus did not need to learn from us if he is God, he would be all knowing, we are to learn from him. He showed what was possible for us on this earth.



In the OT God admits that he is the good and the bad guy. That we have been doing exactly what his will is for us to do. What this means to him is beyond me. What it means to me is he loves us. All of us, and he has been subjecting to sin because he loves us.


Please tell me where God admitted he was bad when Jesus said there was none good but God. Please show me where it says that we have been doing God's will when it says we do not and it also says we have free will. Nobody becomes perfect and man cannot be held to that standard, we can be the best that we can and no more until we are ready to grow and learn again.



posted on Mar, 19 2013 @ 11:45 PM
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Eve had sex with a pre-adamite in the Garden, pure and simple. Notice how when GOD asked Adam what have you done? Adam put the blame on Eve. GOD didn't question Adam furthur, HE directed his speech to Eve & the "serpent", in the original text was not serpent, it meant a "sly, or tricky person", GOD then said that there would be problems with their seed, Eve & the "serpent" Cain & Able were polar twins, twins from 2 different fathers. Much like Ishmael & Issac, they were not twins but represented Cain & Able.. Flash forward to today, we can see the difference of the offspring of each of these boys, we are living it.
edit on 19-3-2013 by JaiLicTang because: More info needed to get the point across.



posted on Mar, 19 2013 @ 11:46 PM
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nowhere does it say we become perfect.


Jesus wouldn't have said Become perfect if it wasn't possible...

44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.




posted on Mar, 19 2013 @ 11:50 PM
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Dearest Akragon,

Something to shoot for, not something attainable. A pleasure to interact with you. It says that we are individually like parts of a body, some are a foot and some are a nose, God is complete as he is all that there is. If there is a God and it is not me then I am not all that there is, therefore, I cannot be God. Dear Akragon, I did not think you were a Solipsist. Are you toying with me or do I misunderstand your point, you are very tricky. Peace.



posted on Mar, 19 2013 @ 11:54 PM
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I am what I am... no label required my friend

Perhaps "perfection" is not as hard as religion tells us... IF one can love God, and love his neighbour as himself... what else is needed?

Silly symbolic rituals?

Perfection must be attainable... or he wouldn't have implied it was possible...

The verse says "be perfect"... Not try to do as well as you can..

Ye know?




posted on Mar, 20 2013 @ 12:05 AM
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Dear Akragon,

I did not mean to label you, I was merely trying to see if that was really what you believed. I respect you and truly like you; but, this is where we disagree. I do not believe we ever become perfect nor do I wish to be, one God is enough for me. Jesus accepted us for being imperfect, it is tough gift to accept; but, it leads to acceptance of others, forgiveness of others and salvation in an eternity with God. I do not wish to compete with God, Satan tried that and was only really looking out for himself.

We have four true choices. I am God, there is no God, I become God or I am not God. The "I become God" answer is really sort of risky. It means that there is no God today or that God can be surpassed by his creation. A very long time ago, I started a thread. I asked people if they could pick their eternity, what answer would they have to what God was, what God would they choose. What if that really was what this life was about? What if the purpose of life was to make that decision? I have read posts where people said that if God spoke to them, they would punch him in the mouth. What if you truly get to choose your eternity as the bible says? Which would people choose and why?

You always ask great questions and provide great quotes. It is always a pleasure to examine these types of questions with you. Peace.



posted on Mar, 20 2013 @ 12:16 AM
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I did not mean to label you, I was merely trying to see if that was really what you believed. I respect you and truly like you; but, this is where we disagree.


No worries... we are allowed to disagree...

It is our disagreements that help us understand one another...


I do not believe we ever become perfect nor do I wish to be, one God is enough for me.


Ahh... I see the issue...

Perfection as a man... Not perfection equal with God...


Jesus accepted us for being imperfect, it is tough gift to accept; but, it leads to acceptance of others, forgiveness of others and salvation in an eternity with God. I do not wish to compete with God, Satan tried that and was only really looking out for himself.


Satan tried to compete with God?

See I don't buy this, and never have... In my personal opinion, Satan doesn't exist.... but if per chance he actually does... He is likely doing the job God gave him to do... Himself being "the adversary"...


We have four true choices. I am God, there is no God, I become God or I am not God. The "I become God" answer is really sort of risky. It means that there is no God today or that God can be surpassed by his creation.


Now would an angel... one that is described as Gods favorite decide that he (being a creation of God) could surpass his creator?


A very long time ago, I started a thread. I asked people if they could pick their eternity, what answer would they have to what God was, what God would they choose. What if that really was what this life was about? What if the purpose of life was to make that decision? I have read posts where people said that if God spoke to them, they would punch him in the mouth. What if you truly get to choose your eternity as the bible says? Which would people choose and why?


Theres plenty of "what ifs" in life...

So what if Jesus was right, and perfection is attainable if one simply learns what love is?


You always ask great questions and provide great quotes. It is always a pleasure to examine these types of questions with you. Peace.


Always a pleasure brother...




posted on Mar, 20 2013 @ 12:28 AM
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. . . god created "light" . . . (and sent) this light to the world in the man . . . Jesus . . .
God sent spiritual light into the world. Jesus was not the light, but was full of that spirit, which was the knowledge of God, and it was in the Apostles, including and especially the writer of the Gospel of John.

Jesus was there when Adam was formed.
The Bible doesn't say so.

The bible says God is love, and God is light. So we can assume that Jesus also being referred to as light is love.
Metaphorically, it is saying that God is spiritually positive.

Imagine love as a spiritual state of mind. The evolution of our own mind towards perfection, the perfection of love.
"Perfection" (as used by Jesus) is a philosophical term which meant achieving an awareness of others as if you were looking at them from a detached (unselfish) perspective.

Maybe we cannot be made perfect but we can overcome what we call sin.
More likely the other way around. We can stop committing overt sins, for example a career criminal who converted would stop robbing people, but we can't undo the affects of thousands of years of sin in the world, things that effect everyone on a personal level. We can achieve a certain type of 'perfection' by having the indwelling of God's spirit.

The flesh always has desires that need to be dealt with but when you drop the desires of the flesh for the pursuit of love, you find love. This love is Jesus the one who only pursued love thus was without sin.
Jesus did not somehow become sinless by pursuit of love. Jesus was sinless to start with, and remained in that condition by not being selfish.



posted on Mar, 20 2013 @ 12:31 AM
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Oh my name it is nothin'
My age it means less
The country I come from
Is called the Midwest
I's taught and brought up there
The laws to abide
And the land that I live in
Has God on its side.

Oh the history books tell it
They tell it so well
The cavalries charged
The Indians fell
The cavalries charged
The Indians died
Oh the country was young
With God on its side.

The Spanish-American
War had its day
And the Civil War too
Was soon laid away
And the names of the heroes
I's made to memorize
With guns on their hands
And God on their side.

The First World War, boys
It came and it went
The reason for fighting
I never did get
But I learned to accept it
Accept it with pride
For you don't count the dead
When God's on your side.

When the Second World War
Came to an end
We forgave the Germans
And then we were friends
Though they murdered six million
In the ovens they fried
The Germans now too
Have God on their side.

I've learned to hate Russians
All through my whole life
If another war comes
It's them we must fight
To hate them and fear them
To run and to hide
And accept it all bravely
With God on my side.

But now we got weapons
Of the chemical dust
If fire them we're forced to
Then fire them we must
One push of the button
And a shot the world wide
And you never ask questions
When God's on your side.

In a many dark hour
I've been thinkin' about this
That Jesus Christ
Was betrayed by a kiss
But I can't think for you
You'll have to decide
Whether Judas Iscariot
Had God on his side.

So now as I'm leavin'
I'm weary as Hell
The confusion I'm feelin'
Ain't no tongue can tell
The words fill my head
And fall to the floor
If God's on our side
He'll stop the next war.



posted on Mar, 20 2013 @ 12:33 AM
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God is love, so Jesus understood this from the begging because he himself is love. He was made perfect, but he still had to learn. His task was to learn through us rather than through sin himself. So he watched how our sin destroyed us and separated us from Love/God. He was then sent in his perfection to teach us how we could become like him.
This is all speculation on your part, making some biblically and logically unsound conclusions from fragmentary bits of information cherry picked from the Bible, then launching off from that as if you had a firm theoretical foundation to base it all on.



posted on Mar, 20 2013 @ 12:40 AM
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Originally posted by Akragon
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I did not mean to label you, I was merely trying to see if that was really what you believed. I respect you and truly like you; but, this is where we disagree.


No worries... we are allowed to disagree...

It is our disagreements that help us understand one another...


I do not believe we ever become perfect nor do I wish to be, one God is enough for me.


Ahh... I see the issue...

Perfection as a man... Not perfection equal with God...


Jesus accepted us for being imperfect, it is tough gift to accept; but, it leads to acceptance of others, forgiveness of others and salvation in an eternity with God. I do not wish to compete with God, Satan tried that and was only really looking out for himself.


Satan tried to compete with God?

See I don't buy this, and never have... In my personal opinion, Satan doesn't exist.... but if per chance he actually does... He is likely doing the job God gave him to do... Himself being "the adversary"...


We have four true choices. I am God, there is no God, I become God or I am not God. The "I become God" answer is really sort of risky. It means that there is no God today or that God can be surpassed by his creation.


Now would an angel... one that is described as Gods favorite decide that he (being a creation of God) could surpass his creator?


A very long time ago, I started a thread. I asked people if they could pick their eternity, what answer would they have to what God was, what God would they choose. What if that really was what this life was about? What if the purpose of life was to make that decision? I have read posts where people said that if God spoke to them, they would punch him in the mouth. What if you truly get to choose your eternity as the bible says? Which would people choose and why?


Theres plenty of "what ifs" in life...

So what if Jesus was right, and perfection is attainable if one simply learns what love is?


You always ask great questions and provide great quotes. It is always a pleasure to examine these types of questions with you. Peace.


Always a pleasure brother...



Dearest Akragon,

That is what I like, deeper and deeper questions. Through them, we begin to understand each other and I like knowing you better and better, hope you feel the same.

I need to retract a statement and then define it differently then it is usually used. I do not believe perfection is a thing, I believe it is a process. It says that God is all knowing. What if he is always growing in knowledge and we are always trying to keep up? I do not believe time is the movement of matter through space as Einstein believed. I believe time is the changing of beliefs and understanding, a change from past beliefs. In my understanding, both God and his creations are always learning; but, God always knows what all of his creation knows.

I must argue the next point, Satan is more than the adversary, he accuses us day and night. He is our accuser, he seeks to condemn us for being imperfect and we are. He is pure, he does not grow and is purely imperfect, he refuses to learn from his mistakes, we can learn. He may have been the most beautiful; but, we are God's favorite which is why it says that one day we will command the angels.

As for Satan wishing to be above God, no, he wishes us to treat him greater than God, to worship him greater than God in exchange for not having to go through this life with pain. It is our selling out ourselves to avoid pain in this world that is the essence of Satanism. I am not accusing you of such a thing, I am describing the rituals and intent of Satanists. They trade earthly pleasure with the promise of worshiping Satan. I am not accusing them; but, I can quote where they all say this in their own words.



posted on Mar, 20 2013 @ 01:24 AM
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1 John 4:7-12 Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. 8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because "GOD IS LOVE". 9 This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him.

10 This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. 11 Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 12 No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.

What am I saying that does not agree with this passage? What you say does not agree but what I say is exactly what it says above. I do not use my own words as you suggest, I simply have put to memory most of the NT so the words are simply the translation that God has provided me.

Although Jesus was perfect, because he was made perfect, he still had to live in the imperfect mortal flesh like all of us. His flesh would have had the same desires as ours. But he was here to teach man to love, because they are loved, because God is love.

Here is the scripture that supports my claim that Jesus is the light in Genesis, made as a perfect copy of God the father. For us to live God must be in us, when we sin we lose the feeling of God/love in us but he is still there, we are being punished. For this reason he created Christ so he could send his love "literally" into the world through the man Jesus Christ.

This is why Jesus considers himself our brother even though at the present time we are subject to him, because he remained perfect even in the imperfect flesh. He overcame sin so he could teach us how to overcome it, and so that we may believe that we can. Since we are to be considered his brother than we should also consider it God's purpose for us to be made perfect like he is. And he even says that we should become like him.



Genesis 1:3-5 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. And God saw that the light was good. And God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.

John 1:7-9 He came as a witness, to bear witness about the light, that all might believe through him. He was not the light, but came to bear witness about the light. The true light, which enlightens everyone, was coming into the world.

Colossians 1:13 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the "FIRSTBORN" over all creation.

Read the Genesis account as many times as you like Jesus must be the light


1 Thessalonians 5:5 For you are all children of light, children of the day. We are not of the night or of the darkness.

Psalm 119:105 Your word is a lamp to my feet and a light to my path.
Psalm 119:130 The unfolding of your words gives light; it imparts understanding to the simple.
Psalm 18:28 For it is you who light my lamp; the Lord my God lightens my darkness.
Psalm 104:2 Covering yourself with light as with a garment, stretching out the heavens like a tent.
Psalm 36:9 For with you is the fountain of life; in your light do we see light.

Proverbs 6:23 For the commandment is a lamp and the teaching a light, and the reproofs of discipline are the way of life,

Daniel 2:22 He reveals deep and hidden things; he knows what is in the darkness, and the light dwells with him.

Isaiah 8:20 To the teaching and to the testimony! If they will not speak according to this word, it is because they have no dawn.

Isaiah 9:2 The people who walked in darkness have seen a great light; those who dwelt in a land of deep darkness, on them has light shined.

Isaiah 42:16 And I will lead the blind in a way that they do not know, in paths that they have not known I will guide them. I will turn the darkness before them into light, the rough places into level ground. These are the things I do, and I do not forsake them.

Isaiah 45:7 I form light and create darkness, I make well-being and create calamity, I am the Lord, who does all these things.

Isaiah 60:2-3 For behold, darkness shall cover the earth, and thick darkness the peoples; but the Lord will arise upon you, and his glory will be seen upon you. And nations shall come to your light, and kings to the brightness of your rising.

Isaiah 60:1 Arise, shine, for your light has come, and the glory of the Lord has risen upon you.

Isaiah 60:20 Your sun shall no more go down, nor your moon withdraw itself; for the Lord will be your everlasting light, and your days of mourning shall be ended.

Job 24:12-13 From out of the city the dying groan, and the soul of the wounded cries for help; yet God charges no one with wrong. “There are those who rebel against the light, who are not acquainted with its ways, and do not stay in its paths.

Job 38:15 From the wicked their light is withheld, and their uplifted arm is broken.

Job 38:19-24 “Where is the way to the dwelling of light, and where is the place of darkness, that you may take it to its territory and that you may discern the paths to its home? You know, for you were born then, and the number of your days is great! “Have you entered the storehouses of the snow, or have you seen the storehouses of the hail, which I have reserved for the time of trouble, for the day of battle and war? ...

Micah 7:8-10 Rejoice not over me, O my enemy; when I fall, I shall rise; when I sit in darkness, the Lord will be a light to me. I will bear the indignation of the Lord because I have sinned against him, until he pleads my cause and executes judgment for me. He will bring me out to the light; I shall look upon his vindication. Then my enemy will see, and shame will cover her who said to me, “Where is the Lord your God?” My eyes will look upon her; now she will be trampled down like the mire of the streets.

1 Kings 11:36 Yet to his son I will give one tribe, that David my servant may always have a lamp before me in Jerusalem, the city where I have chosen to put my name.

Zechariah 14:6-7 On that day there shall be no light, cold, or frost. And there shall be a unique day, which is known to the Lord, neither day nor night, but at evening time there shall be light.

Exodus 13:21 And the Lord went before them by day in a pillar of cloud to lead them along the way, and by night in a pillar of fire to give them light, that they might travel by day and by night.

Jeremiah 13:16 Give glory to the Lord your God before he brings darkness, before your feet stumble on the twilight mountains, and while you look for light he turns it into gloom and makes it deep darkness.

Matthew 4:16 The people dwelling in darkness have seen a great light, and for those dwelling in the region and shadow of death, on them a light has dawned.”

Luke 2:32 A light for revelation to the Gentiles, and for glory to your people Israel.”

Luke 16:8 The master commended the dishonest manager for his shrewdness. For the sons of this world are more shrewd in dealing with their own generation than the sons of light.

John 1:4-8 In him was life, and the life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it. There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. He came as a witness, to bear witness about the light, that all might believe through him. He was not the light, but came to bear witness about the light.

John 3:19-21 And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God.”

John 8:12 Again Jesus spoke to them, saying, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”

John 9:5-7 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.” Having said these things, he spat on the ground and made mud with the saliva. Then he anointed the man's eyes with the mud and said to him, “Go, wash in the pool of Siloam” (which means Sent). So he went and washed and came back seeing.

John 12:35 So Jesus said to them, “The light is among you for a little while longer. Walk while you have the light, lest darkness overtake you. The one who walks in the darkness does not know where he is going.

John 12:36 While you have the light, believe in the light, that you may become sons of light.” When Jesus had said these things, he departed and hid himself from them.

1 John 1:5 This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.

1 Peter 2:5-9 You yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. For it stands in Scripture: “Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone, a cornerstone chosen and precious, and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.” So the honor is for you who believe, but for those who do not believe, “The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone,” and “A stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense.” They stumble because they disobey the word, as they were destined to do. But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.

2 Peter 1:19 And we have something more sure, the prophetic word, to which you will do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts,
Ephesians 5:14 For anything that becomes visible is light. Therefore it says, “Awake, O sleeper, and arise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you.”

2 Corinthians 4:4-6 In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. For what we proclaim is not ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, with ourselves as your servants for Jesus' sake. For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

2 Corinthians 6:14-17 Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness? What accord has Christ with Belial? Or what portion does a believer share with an unbeliever? What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; as God said, “I will make my dwelling among them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Therefore go out from their midst, and be separate from them, says the Lord, and touch no unclean thing; then I will welcome you,

Acts 26:18 To open their eyes, so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me.’

Acts 26:13 At midday, O king, I saw on the way a light from heaven, brighter than the sun, that shone around me and those who journeyed with me.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

Colossians 1:11-12 May you be strengthened with all power, according to his glorious might, for all endurance and patience with joy, giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of the saints in light.

Ephesians 5:8 For at one time you were darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light

Revelation 21:23-27 And the city has no need of sun or moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and its lamp is the Lamb. By its light will the nations walk, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it, and its gates will never be shut by day—and there will be no night there. They will bring into it the glory and the honor of the nations. But nothing unclean will ever enter it, nor anyone who does what is detestable or false, but only those who are written in the Lamb's book of life.


Do you understand yet where the church went wrong?

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posted on Mar, 20 2013 @ 01:33 AM
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Arkagon already answered your first question correctly but you refused to believe him.

So let me see what I can do to convince you.

Isaiah 45:7 I form light and create darkness, I make well-being and create calamity, I am the Lord, who does all these things.

AQ I know you mean well but sometimes we need to humble ourselves. I mean no disrespect but you have been proven wrong on both counts. With scripture that is plain to understand. I only wish to love you, so if I offend you I offer you a sincere apology.



posted on Mar, 20 2013 @ 01:47 AM
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Originally posted by sacgamer25
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Arkagon already answered your first question correctly but you refused to believe him.

So let me see what I can do to convince you.

Isaiah 45:7 I form light and create darkness, I make well-being and create calamity, I am the Lord, who does all these things.

AQ I know you mean well but sometimes we need to humble ourselves. I mean no disrespect but you have been proven wrong on both counts. With scripture that is plain to understand. I only wish to love you, so if I offend you I offer you a sincere apology.


Dear sacgamer25,

Akragon and I have no problem with each other as far as I know. We are quite content in disagreeing and having a conversation over where we disagree. I did not refuse to believe him, I disagree with him and said so quite plainly, no deceit from me. As for offending me, you would have to make a real effort to, I have been told that I should be dead just for being a Christian and it wasn't you that said that to me. I have no problem with disagreeing over dogma with people who actually care.



posted on Mar, 20 2013 @ 01:50 AM
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God is love, so Jesus understood this from the begging because he himself is love. He was made perfect, but he still had to learn. His task was to learn through us rather than through sin himself. So he watched how our sin destroyed us and separated us from Love/God. He was then sent in his perfection to teach us how we could become like him.
This is all speculation on your part, making some biblically and logically unsound conclusions from fragmentary bits of information cherry picked from the Bible, then launching off from that as if you had a firm theoretical foundation to base it all on.


Genesis 1:26
Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

Notice the use of the word "our". This is one of the most debated words in the Bible. Why? The father and the son and the spirit of love, if you drop the RCC trinity for what the bible really says, then it begins to make since.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

In the beginning was love, and love was with God, and love was God.

Do you see the father and son relationship when I change the concept to love? Do you see that they are two but yet still one simply because pure love is at one with pure love. In this since they are equal but separate just as every passage in the NT suggests.



posted on Mar, 20 2013 @ 02:27 AM
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Yes quite beautiful if you think about it. I am 100% sure this is what the bible says too. The book has been rather radically misinterpreted buy the RCC. The translation are fine but how they interpret what they are reading is radically different than what it actually says.



posted on Mar, 20 2013 @ 02:43 AM
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One small correction. God created light and named it Lucifer, translates "Morning Star."





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