To whomever has taken all the money. Please can we the people have it back, thanks.

What does wealth and energy have in common?

Neither can really be created or destroyed. They change form.

Wealth is an illusion. Wealth can be moved around, taken from one place and stored in another. Every time you see an extravagant display of wealth, just remember, that wealth has been taken from somewhere else and piled up in one place. Maybe only a little bit here, a little bit there, but the end result is the same.

Now there are real financial problems in the world at the moment. The masses are struggling, all their wealth is dwindling. So.....where is it? The answer is, someone, some group, somewhere have accumulated an obscene amount of it, and it looks like they dont plan on giving it back any time soon.

It strikes me that the peoples of the world need their own version of a tax office, a statement should be prepared and submitted to the fat cat corporations and other gross abusers of the economic system, and hold them accountable for sums to be paid back to the people in reperation for the wrongs and the greed which they have comitted.

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So would the amount given back to the people be divided equally amongst them? How would that work? Some people have had much more taken from them than others. How do you figure all of that out? I have a better idea... how about everyone wake the F up and stop existing within their rigged system. I know, easier said than done, but our unrelenting dependence on them and their rigged system is why we are in the state that we are in. They can have all of the money they want... it is US that gives that money value, so let's find something else to value.

Wealth is not just about money, its about possessions. Money can be printed in abundance, but that doesnt make it valuable. The great irony is that it becomes more valuable when there is less of it about. There is less of it about because they have taken it. Therefore the money which has been taken from us is becoming more and more valuable all the time to those who have taken it because there is less about in circulation. Its a brilliantly conceived con that has been executed on all of us.

The system MUST collapse for that to happen, there is no other way. In order to accomplish, instead of that stupid "do nothing" campaign Anonymous has been trying to pull, how about "buy nothing except the essential", maybe adding "pull all of your money from the bank"? Won't get you fired, won't stop you from eating or going to school, it's perfectly legal and doesn't require any effort at all. Give it enough time and banks, large businesses and even governments will go broke. It's a bitter pill but would allow humankind to start over.

Building Arks for the Elite, certainly costs alot of money I guess!!

Seriously though, here in the U.K we have been robbed of our savings much more than the people of Cyprus are being threatened with.

Interst rates have been stuck at 0.5% for so long that people's savings have declined in real terms. All the while the banks have been charging vast amounts of interest on personal and business loans (when they have been lending).

In all fairness though, what is wealth in financial terms? Sure you can have shed loads of money, possessions and the like, but these things are just borrowed. When you die it then belongs to someone else.

I have a nice home, but have to spend most of my time away from it in order to pay for it and its upkeep. I have a car, but the cost of fuel just to get to work alone, is extortionate.

The money isn't coming back, we're just paying more and more out.

dont forget the population has doubled. 1/2 the jobs

The population may have increased but there are plenty of resources on this planet, enough for all for the time being. Or maybe enough for some people to have a disproportionate share, and for others to go without.

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Its been a long long time when we had just 3 billion people. The population has nothing to do with the great robbery of the past few years. It does not even have to do with jobs, you think because a larger population relates to the same number of jobs? The number of jobs increases with the population.

On topic: We have to make a new system, one that does not involve all for profit or even using money. We need something like "The Venus project".

reply to post by December21st2012
No. Not until everyone wakes up and realizes that the NWO elite take over conspiracy is true....

Until then, Nope no ones giving any money back. Is it time to hunt Rothschilds yet?

reply to post by December21st2012

Wealth is an illusion. Wealth can be moved around, taken from one place and stored in another.

That’s not an illusion…that means it changed hands.

Every time you see an extravagant display of wealth, just remember, that wealth has been taken from somewhere else and piled up in one place. Maybe only a little bit here, a little bit there, but the end result is the same.

Another term for ‘taken from somewhere else” could also be described as EARNED, no??

Now there are real financial problems in the world at the moment. The masses are struggling, all their wealth is dwindling. So.....where is it? The answer is, someone, some group, somewhere have accumulated an obscene amount of it, and it looks like they dont plan on giving it back any time soon.

Giving it back??? When were you robbed?? Were you rich at one point and now destitute?? Did you call the police??

It strikes me that the peoples of the world need their own version of a tax office, a statement should be prepared and submitted to the fat cat corporations and other gross abusers of the economic system, and hold them accountable for sums to be paid back to the people in reperation for the wrongs and the greed which they have comitted.

While I TOTALLY agree that crony capitalists should swing from TALL TREES…YUP…I don’t think wealthy owe you or me a damn thing.

When did success become frowned upon in this country? If a crime was committed, those 'criminals' should be held to account. But, to act as though YOU are OWED something when you’ve earned or amassed NOTHING is ridiculous!

The system is corrupt but you and I are owed NOTHING from anyone. AT BEST, the only thing we've been robbed of is an even playing field, and we need to correct that by prosecuting crony capitalists....and that doesn't mean stealing the wealth they've accumulated and spreading it out equitably amongst ourselves.

Just my $.02

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No we are keeping the loot. Remember to pray that your life might be a little bit less #.

Amen

Uh what?

How can someone take something people never had to begin with?

The way that works is a person "works" for their "wealth" that was created by someone else working and creating wealth.

That wealth is indeed an illusion, but not in the sense in the op. Fiat currency has no intrinsic value other than what it is placed on it by?

People.

That fiat currency was created out of nothing to begin with it was printed out of thin air by an act of government.

They keep printing(that destroys wealth) they keep taxing(that destroys wealth),regulating that destroys wealth, they keep creating social programs that destroy wealth.

Give the people it back?

That is the problem in the first place

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Give the people it back?

That is the problem in the first place.

Great points, NEO. This is the entitlement society mentality run amuck.

It’s not about ‘giving back’ but more about preventing theft! We’ve been robbed, but we’re not owed. We’ve allowed this to happen by being asleep and/or complacent. Criminals should hang…but NO ONE is owed more than they’ve earned.

PEOPLE…..We don’t level the playing field by stealing wealth!! We do it by enforcing the constitution and holding elected officials accountable to WE THE PEOPLE rather than their own bank accounts!

What's sad now is the AIG lawsuit AGAINST the American Government. Not the FED, the taxpayer.

So, the FED bails out AIG. They loan the Government (taxpayer money) billions. Say's Greenberg "cooked the books." But, no charges...hmm. AIG is restructured, downsized, and lost share price. They did pay the taxpayer money back at full interest. Funny, I didn't get a check.

So, Starr International (with AIG support) is going to sue the US government for the money of the FED's loan out of thin air.

It's all monopoly to these guys.

It's funny I should wander across this thread on this particular evening. I just happened to sit through videos in one of my classes tonight which dealt with Capitalist vs. Communist Propaganda as well as Communist Vs, Fascist (Germany in WW-II for the specific target) propaganda. I'm actually thinking of doing a thread on it, as it was so interesting to see.

However, it makes finding this interesting because the OP basically uses some of the same phrases and wording... with absolutely the same meaning as two of the videos. Amazing considering one came out of the 50's and the other had been 1963. Times change...message doesn't. How valuable history can be...

To answer a couple points though, wealth is created all the time. If I sit here and I spend the next week reloading ammunition for someone who then pays me a good sum of money for my skill, time and end result? Then I have created something out of far less valuable raw materials that cost a fraction of the final product I will have collected money for. That money is wealth created. If I motorized my presses and set them up to run at the same time, I could load enough ammunition for enough people to make a sum sufficient to call me wealthy, for the area I'm living.

Money is NOT a zero sum game and that's simply a lack of understanding basic economics to think so. Winning does not mean someone else has to be losing ..which is what 0 sum means. Another way of saying it is that money is not a finite resource. To collect it doesn't short other people of it.

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.....Although to be fair to all sides and pre-empt the obvious reply, I will absolutely concede there are vicious predators among us who are also among the ultra-wealthy. There *IS* a 1%. However, the guy who runs IBM or runs an oil company doesn't even have the cash to get a look inside the building the 1% would call average.

Look at Bloomberg...Soros...and others. There are some on the right as well. OBSCENE wealth knows no party. Power is a party and a religion all it's own at those levels, in my opinion. Those levels comprise no more than a few dozen to a couple hundred people on Earth, however. Not everyone with a million bucks is rich and by far, not everyone with money, got there by stomping someone else.

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That is the thing tho some people think all those rich folk actually have a billion dollars in cash sitting at a bank.

They don't their wealth is just a number in bank account, or total of their assets whatever they may be.

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What's sad now is the AIG lawsuit AGAINST the American Government. Not the FED, the taxpayer.

So, the FED bails out AIG. They loan the Government (taxpayer money) billions. Say's Greenberg "cooked the books." But, no charges...hmm. AIG is restructured, downsized, and lost share price. They did pay the taxpayer money back at full interest. Funny, I didn't get a check.

Well, it wasn’t AIG, it was Greenberg.

This bastard wants a bailout and then sue for damages…he’s playing both sides and claiming it’s on behalf of the tax payers!

The rest of these crooks are happy with the huge profits they made with our money.

A rope for a few and prison for the rest…treason is punishable by death last time I checked. Defrauding tax payers of BILLIONS and then demanding our courts reward you for theft borders on “crimes against your country” as far as I’m concerned.

Originally posted by December21st2012
Wealth is not just about money, its about possessions. Money can be printed in abundance, but that doesnt make it valuable. The great irony is that it becomes more valuable when there is less of it about. There is less of it about because they have taken it. Therefore the money which has been taken from us is becoming more and more valuable all the time to those who have taken it because there is less about in circulation. Its a brilliantly conceived con that has been executed on all of us.

There is less money in the world??? No, there is much, much, MUCH more than at any time in recorded history, hence the reason for the economic apocalypse that is right around the corner. The FED is injecting $1 TRILLION A YEAR into the system. Japan is doing the same... Europe is doing the same, etc...

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Yup, you got it. Everyone involved from the FED to Goldman to Greenberg are in cahoots on this thing. Their purposely divesting and selling off stable companies at the taxpayer expense. And now trying to double dip!

You should watch his interview he did with Charlie Rose last night. I laughed so hard when Charlie asked him who he was suing. It's funny how Greenberg said he was suing the Govt for illegally nationalizing a company. He is such an American Hero LOL.

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You are absolutely correct in your analogy about creating wealth from your labor using lesser materials to make a more valuable product.
That is the proper idea behind capitalism. You always run the risk of reloading those casings to make ammo and then no one buys it and you have your time and initial capital tied up and get no money, or the market price of ammo drops and you don't make what you expected etc. Or the price goes way up and you make a ton. That is the risks in a free market.
What has no business in a free market capitalist society....you make that ammo and you don't sell any. You are in need of money. The country's government sends you money for food, shelter, cell phone, whatever. Maybe I am in the widget business and my particular widgets are in demand. I am making a ton. Damn shame for you I don't need any ammo. But my government pays you that helping hand out of the taxes I am forced to pay on my profit from my widgets. A small bit of socialism to provide a social safety net. Except we are now doing it for large billion dollar banks, auto manufacturers, airlines, etc. Now, the guys running those shows, they don't produce any reloaded ammo in the their garage. They don't produce a damn thing of any value. In fact the government is bailing them out with our money, while they still live large, much more so than your reloading business could ever provide you. THAT IS STEALING, and there are a hell of a lot more than a few dozen or a few hundred in the world doing that stealing.
One way in which the system is being propped up is through the printing of money out of thin air. Just because there is more paper, there is certainly not more wealth. You start the reloading business from your example and it does well and you make yourself ten times the average income of the average guy. Bully for you man! And those dollars you are making for your same labor and capital are worth less and less. So while you are doing nothing different, and running a good honest business, your wealth is actually declining.
So your point that wealth can be created, that it is not a zero sum game is true, but my point is that money can be created, and is considered wealth by the world at large, even though nothing of value has been added to the equation.
This would not be so detrimental if that money reached the hands of every day guys like us. But is doesn't. It goes to pay our national debt, to take care of entitlements, and most infuriating into the hands of those bozos I mentioned above while diluting the power of what money we have through inflation.
Ok....I got a headache now.....I dam sure hate problems I can do nothing to solve.
Barter system anyone?