Chardon High shooter TJ Lane wears 'killer' T-shirt, gives middle finger to courtroom at sentencin

forgot one more thing for to the a-holes that might be on here that treat people like crap cause they dont fit yours and your friends image, words of advice treat others the way YOU want to be treated or your going to have more people like this.

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Dude. Seriously, get yourself some help. You sound like you're carrying around a lot of hate and anger. That stuff will eat you up. Don't let it. Talk to someone. Anyone that will listen.

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Just to clarify...

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my apologies for insulting you, just got confused with something.

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Yeah, you just over reacted and started off with some bizarre message about letting it be a lesson to the rest of us. You might want to check your community services center and find somebody to talk to. Get some things off your chest. Normally it's free and it might help you not be so under pressure.

Originally posted by Asktheanimals
Stirling is right - this kid didn't just "decide" to go bad. His whole life was probably a series of abusive relations, pain and isolation. We should worry less about making sure he meets some kind of special justice and start figuring out what makes people become this way. If we don't we'll have too many more just like him.

It may take a village to raise a child but it can also turn a child from a productive, happy member of society in to sociopathic predator. We're letting far too many kids fall through the cracks, remember that nobody is born a mass-murderer.

The strange thing is there are plenty of sociopaths and psycopaths , or rather people that have the same traits as such........that function in society, have good jobs, and families that they take care of.......

They dont think, or feel like we do but they still lead productive lives with no criminal behavior........

What puzzles me is at what point do they decide to cross the line..........and what have we as a society done to make it more acceptable for them to do so.......

Part of it , in my opinion is the fact that we have become so absorbed in ourselves that we dont see the signs, and we dont HELP.........

Instead we insult, ridicule, and ostracize.............we have lost our humanity......which is ironic, since its one of the few things that keep us human.....

yeah just was trying to point out that the kid sounds like he was a loner based on his facebook post, and questions being asked was why did he do these things. look what happended in the columbine shootings.

TJ's anti-social acts are even more mysterious as he plans to file an appeal:

www.cleveland.com...-photo

"Defense attorney Ian Friedman says Lane plans to appeal, and has asked the court to appoint him a lawyer for that process."

And on what grounds would Lane appeal? He plead guilty, agreed to a 'deal' that punished him as harshly as if he had been found guilty at trial, and refused to put up any kind of defense:

www.wytv.com...

Defense attorney Ian Friedman said the decision to plead guilty was Lane's alone.

www.cleveland.com...

He has told his attorneys to avoid presenting any evidence on his behalf that could somehow lighten his sentence.

www.northwestohio.com...

18-year-old TJ Lane has asked that his lawyers not speak for him at today's sentencing, which means he'll face a judge without legal assistance and without having to say a word, not even an apology to the victims' families.

Before judging those who're angry at this freak of nature, please put yoruself in the position of a family member who lost someone thye loved to this kid. Now imagine you're in the courtroom and this kid is smirking and telling everyone that he's glad what he did. Don't you think that in the memory of the person you loved that this monster killed, you might just lose it? You might just leap out of your seat and rush after this creature with righteous anger to squeeze the life out of it?

It's not about hating something that's different. It's about empathizing with the people who lost loved ones. It's about picturing yourself being in their shoes. And THEN this kid shows no respect and no shame. He's not just different. He has not a hint of humanity in him. Your sense of loss is immeasurably painful. When confronted by this, you might feel attacking him is just retribution.

People have their limits. Even the best. When those limits are crossed, even the man who would not kill a fly will take the life of another. It becomes instinct. All rules are put aside.

if he did this because he was seriously bullied, i could understand. it wouldn't make it right, but i wouldn't hold him to blame.

our society is hypocritical. one can cause all the pain they want to another for their own pleasure, but if the tortured person strikes back, they're the guilty ones. it is even possible to die of heartache from bullying.

he seems to display an egotistical nature, though one not naturally occurring; the kind of egotism that develops when one is victimized by those that view themselves as superior, and who make sure the victim knows it. he seems quite intelligent, which could cause constant degradation of the aforementioned kind to create egotism as a defense mechanism. the 2011 wall post is obviously a fantasy of revenge.

i see the taunts on here, and all the fantasies of revenge; i'm forced to conclude that it is no different from his behavior in the courtroom.

The evidence strongly indicates that two different guns were found in two different places, indicating more than one lone gunman:



Where was the weapon found? Or were two guns found?

edition.cnn.com...
. ... Police found the gun inside the school, apparently dropped by the suspect as he fled, the source said.

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[Updated 11:43 a.m. ET(the day of the shooting)] The federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives says it has been given one handgun from the Ohio high school shooting scene to do an emergency trace.

www.wkyc.com...
WKYC has learned the teen was found in possession of a .22 gun and a knife at the time of his arrest.

www.timesherald.com... ull_story
Geauga County sheriff’s Deputy Jonathan Bilicic testified at an earlier hearing that he found Lane in a wooded area with a handgun and knife in Chardon Township after the shootings.


Was it a revolver, or a semi-automatic(the official version), or both?

online.wsj.com...
Mr. Henderson said he spent Monday evening(the day of the shooting) with the family, and was told that the .22 revolver of Mr. Lane's grandfather, Thomas Lane Sr., was missing from the home on the day of the shooting.
"A .22 revolver—the same gun the sheriff's office confiscated. Just a regular little revolver, a target revolver," Mr. Henderson said.
Prosecutors said Mr. Lane confessed to taking a .22 revolver and a knife to school.

www.examiner.com...
On Wednesday(2 days later), it was revealed that T.J. Lane, the alleged Chardon High School shooter, may have used a relative's gun when he opened fire on several students Monday. The weapon, a .22 caliber revolver, was missing from his grandparent's barn and matched the description of the gun used to kill three students and wound two others, reports WKYC.

www.chagrinvalleytimes.com...
dated 1-29-12 (2 days later)
--Lt. John Hiscox, with the sheriff's department, said the gunman fled on foot through woods surrounding the school. A student was apprehended about a half mile away on Woodin Road with a .22-caliber revolver and a knife.

AP Online
February 29, 2012 (2 days later)
A law enforcement official familiar with the investigation said the gun used in the shooting, a Ruger .22-caliber Mark III target pistol, was bought legally in August 2010 from a gun shop in Mentor, Ohio.

www.news-herald.com...
1-28-13 (a year later)
Also named in the suit is John Bruening, T.J.’s Huntsburg Township uncle who reportedly owned the Ruger MK III Target .22-caliber semi-automatic handgun that was used in the shooting.

The victim's families have filed suit against TJ and his parents:
www.news-herald.com...
1-28-13
Also named in the suit is John Bruening, T.J.’s Huntsburg Township uncle who reportedly owned the Ruger MK III Target .22-caliber semi-automatic handgun that was used in the shooting. ....
Also at the home was Nancy Bruening, John Bruening’s wife. She said the couple did not own the gun referred to in the lawsuit.
“We’ve never had a gun,” Nancy Bruening said. “We never really even associated with our nephew at that time.”


So this case might still have some surprises. Though I doubt discrepancies in the official version will change TJ's fate. Another oddity:

www.timesherald.com... ull_story
--Meanwhile, Flaiz(prosecuting attorney) said he expects to file a motion to keep certain evidence, including the video of the shootings, under seal.

Oh no no no, don't show the evidence that could overturn the entire case.