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Is it possible to be a Christian and a believer in Islam?

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posted on Mar, 19 2013 @ 03:28 AM
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Believe in what you want and pay no mind to what other people think.




posted on Mar, 19 2013 @ 05:29 AM
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Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by ollncasino
 



It is a puzzle why an all mighty god choose an illiterate, 40 year old camel herder from a cultural and geographical backwater to spread his message amongst humanity.


Thats' the best part... from this geographical backwater came the strongest brand of Abrahamic monotheism, which survives in all its vigor to this day. Christianity was unable to spread in the Middle east, despite having a 600 year head start... and today, Christianity has pretty much collapsed in Western society... or exists under a godless secular rule... where the freedom to mock God is enshrined as "freedom of speech.


That is exactly what has happened..



posted on Mar, 19 2013 @ 05:39 AM
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I believe in the freedom to mock god.

Not saying its a smart thing to do, but I believe we should all be free to do it if we choose to.
I personally am in love with God so deeply I can't express.
But people who love me mock me, I mock them, we mock each other and ourselves because it feels good. God does not strike me as the kind of person who can't take a joke.

But take things to far, and, well... just look at the middle east.
I think God would prefer we mock Him than kill people for not believing in Him.
Not that I think he necessarily likes either.
I get away with it sometimes because He loves me and He knows I love Him.
It's not like I don't get punished for it. Lightly.
Idk. I just feel like both the bible and the qu'ran are trying to teach the same message.
Forgive yourself, forgive each other, love yourself, love each other, and love God for giving you all this to love.
It's really that simple.



posted on Mar, 19 2013 @ 05:42 AM
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Sure, if the person wants to hold two contradictory beliefs. That person would have to believe that Jesus was the only begotten Son of God and likewise believe that God begets nothing and has no Son. Then that person would need to believe that Jesus died on the cross, and likewise believe that Jesus didn't die on the cross.




posted on Mar, 19 2013 @ 06:22 AM
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If you believe in any religion, especially Islam, I highly recommend you read this from start to finish and understand the way religion recruits and manipulates the weak willed/minded.

The Terrifying Brilliance of the Islamic Memeplex

IRM



posted on Mar, 19 2013 @ 06:36 AM
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Your link doesnt work.

But I ran my own search and from whatever I managed to read, its just standard run-of-the-mill "the Mooslims are coming to get us" Islamophobic rambling.


edit on 19-3-2013 by sk0rpi0n because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 19 2013 @ 06:56 AM
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Exactly. It's impossible.



Originally posted by SpiritofEnoch
If God is Good, and Jesus is God, then by Jesus bringing God back to His people, he was bringing forth good things. MUHAMMAD DID THE SAME EXACT THING.

Not even close.

If God is Good, and Jesus is God .. then Jesus is Good.
Muhammad wasn't 'good' and he wasn't God.

Jesus preached forgiveness.
Muhammad ordered the murder of his political opponents.

Jesus rose from the dead on his own accord.
Muhammad rotted in the ground.

Jesus and Muhammad are TOTALLY different.



posted on Mar, 19 2013 @ 07:22 AM
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Jews, Muslims and Christians all believe in the same God (Abraham's), so why not?



posted on Mar, 19 2013 @ 07:24 AM
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The answer is yes. Believing in the basic principles of any or a multiple of religions...all different....is not the same as being a strict follower of them.

Im Christian, and believe God is tolerant of those religions....of any in fact....that propses to devote to
GOD"...whomever and whatever....He/She/They/Them/ It...may or may not be.

For that reason, and for all the friends of different faiths and belief systems Ive met and had my whole life throughout...Im Christian but also Agnostic.



posted on Mar, 19 2013 @ 07:25 AM
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How is Mohammed any different to Western leaders murdering political opponents in todays world? With that, the Catholic church are nothing but a bunch of child molesters.. Seems like Islam is running rampant at the top end of our societies according to your opinion of Mohammed.
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posted on Mar, 19 2013 @ 07:27 AM
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Mohammed, Jesus, Krishna and the lot are basically what we can ascribe as the over-souls of this earth. They come here for a mission to simply be a guiding beacon for humanity on humility, respect and love, through their teachings.

They are all but the same, all is one, one is all.

The question is, can we be such examples ourselves???

Peace



posted on Mar, 19 2013 @ 07:43 AM
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Originally posted by DarknStormy
How is Mohammed any different to Western leaders murdering political opponents in todays world?

I didn't say he was. I said he was different from JESUS.


Seems like Islam is running rampant at the top end of our societies according to your opinion of Mohammed

It's not 'my opinion' of Mohammed. It's just historical fact.
He was an admitted caravan thief. He ordered the murder of his political opponents.
This is in stark contrast to Jesus who preached mercy and forgiveness.

The question was ... is it possible to be a Christian and a believer in Islam.
The answer ... no, the teachings of Jesus and Muhammad are diametrically opposed.

To be a Muslim, you have to deny that Jesus is God Incarnate and deny that Jesus died on the cross and rose from the dead. That's at the core of Christianity. So if you deny those things in order to believe in Islam ... then you are not a Christian.

It's pretty simple.
edit on 3/19/2013 by FlyersFan because: fixed quote



posted on Mar, 19 2013 @ 07:57 AM
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The link works fine and it's not a typical rambling. Just shows you didn't read it which makes your post kind of pointless really.

IRM



posted on Mar, 19 2013 @ 08:01 AM
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I'll answer your question with a question... Is it possible to be a Klan member and a Black Panther at the same time?



posted on Mar, 19 2013 @ 08:06 AM
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Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
I'll answer your question with a question... Is it possible to be a Klan member and a Black Panther at the same time?


Yes, when one uses their imagination...


And your point is???



posted on Mar, 19 2013 @ 08:11 AM
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No it is not possible.

In both books, the Bible and the Koran, the later writings superseded the earlier writings where there is conflict between the writings. This is key in understanding the difference between the 2 religions. Christians clearly state that the New Testament and it's writings are the final word if there is conflict between the Old and New Testament. Mohammed and his clerics clearly state that the later parts of the Koran and it's writings are the final word if there is conflict between an earlier and a later writing (this is not necessarily reflected in the order writings appear in the Koran, it has to do with when Mohammed said them). One must understand this in order to clearly see why it is not possible to "be" both.

The Koran begins in peace and is superseded with the edict to kill nonbelievers. To be a Christian, even half a christian in Islamic countries is an automatic death sentence, which is scriptural in the Koran. To believe in Christ as the only path to God is to reject Islam according to Muslims.

The Bible begins in violence and is superseded with the edict to turn the other cheek and to eschew violence in favor of love. It also clearly states that believing in Jesus is the only path to heaven and one who does violence and does not deeply and honestly repent of it can not enter the kingdom of God. Christianity says that
once one truly believes Jesus is the son of god and repents of their sins they are assured of entry into heaven through grace given by God, one can not "earn" their way into heaven. Good works are a reflection of trying ones best to live like Jesus wants them to but are not required to enter heaven.

The Koran states that Mohammed shows his followers the only path to Allah. The only assured path to heaven is to die while attempting to kill a nonbeliever. Other than that one can only enter the kingdom of Allah if they do good works and strictly obey the Koran and one does not have assurance of heaven until one tries to enter. Good works and strict obedience to the Koran for the non-Jihadist should (but not necessarily) land one in paradise at death, that is up to Allah when one dies. There is never an assurance of entry to paradise, only a hope if one is good enough.

The two religions are really polar opposites in theology.
However, if you pick and choose from both books they look the same but truly are completely opposite.



posted on Mar, 19 2013 @ 08:31 AM
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You can read and believe what ever you'd like, that doesn't make you anything more/less than what you are.

When someone asks me what religion I am, I reply with, "I make my own religion"



posted on Mar, 19 2013 @ 08:33 AM
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It may not be possible to be a Christian and a Muslim as some posters have pointed out but it is possible to be a Muslim and a follower of Christ(not nicene creed), its actually obligatory for muslims to believe in Jesus pbuh as Christ(Messiah)

Quran-002:285 The messenger believes in what has been revealed to him from his Lord, and (so do) the believers; they all believe in God and His angels and His books and His messengers; We make no difference (Arabic: Nufarriqu) between any of His messengers; and they say: We hear and obey, our Lord! Thy forgiveness (do we crave), and to Thee is the eventual course(return).

It is useful to note that the Arabic word used and commonly translated as 'distinction' is 'nufarriqu' from the root word 'FA-RA-QAF' which means to separate, to distinguish, discriminate, divide, decide, split or to make a distinction.


to have the belief in nicene creed and islamic creed would create conflict in your mind which you'l have to resolve ultimately.

You are doing great, our God is the same and you should stick to that the rest are labels as Akragon said.

The work of the messengers was to introduce God to people and they did their best.
You seem to have a strong connection with God, you'l be fine.



posted on Mar, 19 2013 @ 08:52 AM
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Originally posted by SpiritofEnoch
Also, where in the bible does Jesus say "I am God. You must worship me or die?"

It doesn't, but that doesn't matter. Your question wasn't "why do Christians believe what they believe?" it was "Can a Christian believe in Islam?" And, again, as a Christian is one who accepts the Nicene Creed (for whatever reason, that's irrelevant for your question,) and as Islam contradicts that Creed, no, a Christian cannot believe in Islam.

If you want your own private definition of a Christian to be a person who doesn't believe that Christ was divine, then there is no conflict, but it's a dishonest conclusion, because your private definition isn't what Christianity really is.



posted on Mar, 19 2013 @ 08:59 AM
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What part of the Bible actually tells you that Jesus is God? Can someone point it out?









 
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